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Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

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Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#11
The software is a "steaming pile of shit"? Of course, it was built by IBM Federal. Building software for U.S. gov't contractors is an awful, awful experience. The end result is the talented leave as soon as they can, because working in a red tape environment with ridiculous Information Assurance (that's gov't speak for their own ludicrous security theater that is their IT security process) policies makes you want to kill yourself.

My wife has a friend who barely made it out of high school, believes in psychics, believes that the U.S. gives an annual payment to England for our freedom (this was revealed on the 4th. I spit out my beer laughing, but then I realized she was serious). This person works as an Information Assurance person in charge of making sure software is "secure." She knows nothing about software, but she has passed a few tests, courtesy of prep courses which guarantee you can get the cert. Because she was in the Air Force for 6 months (she got pregnant and was honorably discharged a couple of months after her first duty), she is a veteran and is therefore fully qualified to classify software as secure. Or in reality, defense contractors have to meet quotas for hiring veterans, and they put her in the easiest butts in seats job they could find, IT security.

This, my friends, is the system you have to deal with in the federal fucking government.

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#13
That figure is clearly not for an Android app, that is a clear misrepresentation.

Who knows how it breaks down. This exposes a vast amount of queryable census data to the public (something which would normally be regarded as a good thing, particularly if you are a startup which uses data).

But, to be sure, we can just punish the government for ever releasing any data unless it had such a high fee attached that only huge corporations could afford to pay it.

You should FOIA some kind of itemization of how that huge number breaks down, rather than running to the press with a sensationalized version tailored more to partisan politics than to informing the public

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#14
This is disgusting. I've had to use it extensively for research, and while it 'gets the job done', its such a pain to use. I've asked myself who put this together, and I always assumed it was a team of interns working across a decade for each version.

I can't believe this is the best they could do for $33 million. I just can't. They better have some slick stuff under the hood.

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#15

Does anyone know what something similar would cost a large private corporation?

That may depend on whether that large private corporation is already running the US Census.

Hopefully that day will never come, it is enough that corporations are running the prisons.

I would also like to know how much said private corporation would charge. (But I don't have to wonder very much, because companies like Elsevier and Lexis/Nexis give a pretty good idea)

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#17

That figure is clearly not for an Android app, that is a clear misrepresentation. Who knows how it breaks down. This exposes a vast amount of queryable census data to the public (something which would normally be regarded as a good thing, particularly if you are a startup which uses data). But, to be sure, we can just punish the government for ever releasing any data unless it had such a high fee attached that only h…

Who said the Android app cost $33M?

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#18

That figure is clearly not for an Android app, that is a clear misrepresentation. Who knows how it breaks down. This exposes a vast amount of queryable census data to the public (something which would normally be regarded as a good thing, particularly if you are a startup which uses data). But, to be sure, we can just punish the government for ever releasing any data unless it had such a high fee attached that only h…

You misread the post. He didn't query data about an Android app.

You really think $33 million is a reasonable number for building a web interface to existing data? Please, hire me for your next job.

And I'll just leave this here: https://github.com/ireapps/census

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

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post #11

The software is a "steaming pile of shit"? Of course, it was built by IBM Federal. Building software for U.S. gov't contractors is an awful, awful experience. The end result is the talented leave as soon as they can, because working in a red tape environment with ridiculous Information Assurance (that's gov't speak for their own ludicrous security theater that is their IT security process) policies makes you want to…

He was calling the OSHA heat app "a steamy pile of shit".

Re: Census Bureau's American FactFinder software cost taxpayers $33.3 million

#20
post #14

This is disgusting. I've had to use it extensively for research, and while it 'gets the job done', its such a pain to use. I've asked myself who put this together, and I always assumed it was a team of interns working across a decade for each version. I can't believe this is the best they could do for $33 million. I just can't. They better have some slick stuff under the hood.

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