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Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by izacus »

nemomarx wrote: post #359
izacus wrote: post #176

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Why would you want this kind of increased monopolization? That is, CPU companies also owning the GPU market?

is it a lot more competitive for Nvidia to just keep winning? I feel like you want two roughly good choices for GPU compute and AMD needs a shot in the arm for that somewhere.

It is absolutely more competitive when nVidia is a separate company from Intel so they can't pull shit like "our GPUs only work with our GPUs" like Intel is now pulling with their WiFi chips.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by leptons »

Lammy wrote: post #665
leptons wrote: post #524

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I doubt most people actually care about efficiency in a laptop. My wife is my anecdotal example. She's had a mac for years but refuses to give Apple one more penny because they've been awful - had to replace her previous laptop motherboard 7 times until we finally had to sue Apple in a class action which resulted in them sending her current 2015 MBP, which has now aged-out of MacOS updates. Sucks that this computer i…

> her current 2015 MBP, which has now aged-out of MacOS updates Not trying to invalidate or lessen your complaint (which I completely agree with) but want to make sure you are aware of OpenCore Legacy Patcher. It's a little hacky by nature but can give some extra life to that machine: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.ht...

yeah, I looked at it, but this MBP has a speaker that died, the SD card reader died a long time ago, had to replace the battery, it's slow, and it doesn't really play nicely on the SMB network, etc, etc. I'll be glad when it's gone. And OpenCore patcher seemed like a lot of hassle to keep putting up with this machine. Thanks for suggesting it though.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by corimaith »

mnau wrote: post #579
corimaith wrote: post #200

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They literally don't any serious homegrown alternative though, they'd be effectively forfeiting the AI race

China doesn't care. They are banned from buying western AI HW or making their own AI HW at TSMC/Samsung. They are pouring hundreds of billions to the semiconductor ecosystem. Huawei is trying to make establish domestic Ascend/MindSpore ecosystem, but they are limited by the SMIC process (~7nm). Amount of defects is allegedly rather high, but they are the only "official" game in town (other than smuggled NVIDIA cards…

Then the point about China trying to block a Nvidia merger doesn't really sense if they will be going their own path anyways. It would exist to try to harm Nvidia before their homegrown alternatives ramp up.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by yvdriess »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #648
MPSFounder wrote: post #647

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Should have mentioned Hardware. I remember Intel pays more than Apple hardware when adjusted for COL (Intel in Oregon/New Mexico vs Cupertino). It has been a while since I looked into the salaries though. I agree they do not pay well relative to big tech on the software side of things though

Top talent who can shop around for more pay is going to demand higher pay in exchange for the opportunity costs for having to live in Oregon/New Mexico compared to Cupertino.

It does help to retain the talent, those 5-10y engineers have a house on mortgage and need a higher pay incentive to uproot their lives. At least, that was probably the reasoning before, things have changed:

- WFH means you do not even have to move.

- Competitors have set up satellite offices in Hillsborough/Portland to poach talent.

- Intel does not feel like the stable employer anymore, with the almost yearly layoff waves since the BK era.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by Wytwwww »

kgeist wrote: post #502
kergonath wrote: post #478

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I don’t know what you are trying to say. If you have a point to make, at least be honest about it. Also, I am not American and not an I conditional supporter of their foreign policy. And considering the trajectory of American politics it is obvious that any foreign multinational developing in the US should have contingency plans.

My point was that great powers are always in some kind of military conflict, so it's not really a deciding factor when choosing where to build an R&D. Putin's concentration of power has been alarming, but only since around 2012, to be honest. It was relatively stable between 2000 and 2012 in general (minus isolated cases of mysterious deaths and imprisonments). Russia was business-friendly back then, open to foreign…

The wars or military conflicts themselves are kind of tangential. It's the geopolitical risks that come along with them.

i.e. if you are an American/European company and you are doing business in Russia you must account for the potential risks of suddenly. The sanctions after 2014 were a clear signal and Intel had years to take that into account.

> So I kind of see why Intel didn't do much about it until 2022.

I'm pretty sure that the consensus (based on pretty objective evidence) is that Intel was run by incompetent hacks prior to 2021 (and probably still is).

> thousands of European/American businesses operating in Russia by 2022

Selling your products there or having local manufacturing is not quite the same as outsourcing your R&D there due to obvious reasons...

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by Woodi »

grahamj wrote: post #459
vlan0 wrote: post #235

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>I feel like this is a mistake. Pat's strategy is aggressive but what the company needs. He's also 63. Has plenty of money to survive the rest of his life. Has eight grandchildren. There's so much more to life than business. What's to say he doesn't want to simply enjoy life with more connection and community to loved ones around him?

> What's to say he doesn't want to simply enjoy life News: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/02/intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger-is-o... Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger ousted by board

That "fabs will report to me" should be a tell that there is a lot of internal opposition...

Worse (for Intel) what can happen is Intel HP-isation - splits and sells.

But there is a lot of good news for them in cpu world: another B's granted, military buys Intel, new no-HT arch. And 80 bit memories like in Multics, can be true virtualisation on x86.

Even if x86 is dead Intel still have fabs - AMD can soon print in them :)

But that multigeneration refreshes are still a mistery - is it Intel's problem or maybe something else eg. simply someone have a some patent ? :>

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by formerly_proven »

hn3er1q wrote: post #492
tonyhart7 wrote: post #215

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US government wouldn't let intel down, this is matter of national security (only grown semiconductor fabs left on US soil) and edge of US tech dominance

> only grown semiconductor fabs left on US soil not sure what a "grown" semiconductor fab is but follow this link and sort by location https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat... The number of homegrown companies with fabs is greater than 1

Since HN generally considers everything older than two nodes completely irrelevant, all of those fabs except for Intel are completely irrelevant.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by smcin »

stonogo wrote: post #321
quotemstr wrote: post #271

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There are already packages that let people run CUDA programs unmodified on other GPUs: see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40970560 For whatever reason, people just delete these tools from their minds, then claim Nvidia still has a monopoly on CUDA.

Those packages only really perform with low-precision work. For scientific computing, using anything but CUDA is a painful workflow. DOE has been deploying AMD and Intel alternatives in their leadership class machines and it's been a pretty bad speedbump.

('DOE' = US Department of Energy)

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by johnisgood »

Lammy wrote: post #598
amaranth wrote: post #550

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GNOME 3 had a hardware accelerated compositor on release in 2011.

Ubuntu came with Compiz by default in 2007: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2007/11/ubunt... “Ubuntu 7.10 is the first version of Ubuntu that ships with Compiz Fusion enabled by default on supported hardware. Compiz Fusion, which combines Compiz with certain components developed by the Beryl community, is a compositing window manager that adds a wide range of visual effects to Ubuntu's desktop environm…

I remember Beryl, those were fun times.
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