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Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by mibbitier »

philwelch wrote: post #30
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #12

Look at his options: 1. Get bled until nobody will offer legal services to him because they know he can't pay. Get extradited with a public defendant (if he's lucky). Have a trial with a lawyer being provided by the DoJ (who happens to be the ones putting him on trial). 2. Get extradited with a team of really good lawyers who truly represent him. There really aren't any options that don't end with him extradited. Why…

He could always go on the run with Julian Assange.

Can Richard O'Dwyer tag along?

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by NonEUCitizen »

res0nat0r wrote: post #68
dekz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You argue as if MU just ignored DMCA requests, they did not.

You obviously haven't read the indictment. They weren't totally ignoring the takedown requests yes, but they were knowingly assisting and profiting off content they knew was copyrighted.

ALLEGEDLY

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by hef19898 »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #12

Look at his options: 1. Get bled until nobody will offer legal services to him because they know he can't pay. Get extradited with a public defendant (if he's lucky). Have a trial with a lawyer being provided by the DoJ (who happens to be the ones putting him on trial). 2. Get extradited with a team of really good lawyers who truly represent him. There really aren't any options that don't end with him extradited. Why…

These strong arming of other countries is something I really hate. Its underhanded and simply bad style and unworthy of democracies. A least for me. But the US aren't the only ones doing that, the EU isn't that much better.

But freezing his assets all over the place and such, even for legal fees? In this case you actually trying to exclude him from support. If one might call this unbiased trials, ok. I don't.

What I don't like about all this is that even if you go as far away from a certain legal system as you can for whatever reason you will never escape it. I'm not talking about being criminal, just about chossing the rules you want to live under. I think certain countries and people (and I'm not going after the US or anyone in particular) should learn to accept that individuals choose for themselves.

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by gscott »

alan_cx wrote: post #35
mtgx wrote: post #9

So the US's Government's tactic is to delay the extradition trial until he's left with no money to defend himself...and then win by default. Is that what they call "justice"?

Yes. That is exactly what the US government call "justice". You cannot beat "the man".

Even when you 'win' it costs you so much it feels like loosing. The Government has an unlimited amount of money it can print and spend.

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by thaumasiotes »

gscott wrote: post #74
alan_cx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That is exactly what the US government call "justice". You cannot beat "the man".

Even when you 'win' it costs you so much it feels like loosing. The Government has an unlimited amount of money it can print and spend.

I guess that's technically true in terms of absolute numbers, but it's fairly meaningless. What did unlimited amounts of printed money do for Zimbabwe?

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by ttt_ »

briandear wrote: post #53
TheEskimo wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>MU was the hub of piracy on the net I'd like a source for that. I believe TPB is and was in that position. I also believe that rapidshare and all those other sites had a similar amount of pirated content. In general you'd have a mirror of a given file across 3 or so sites which would indicate MU wasn't that far different from those commonly used as mirrors. >statistical sample of 10,000 random accounts, and correlat…

You really want a source for the fact that his site was a piracy haven? Are you that naïve? The man has a history of criminality, including embezzlement plus the people that are defending him are the same people who complain about Hollywood and the RIAA. If he wasn't facilitating global piracy then Hollywood and the RiAA are irrelevant in any arguments about this case. If he's innocent, he'll have his day in court.

>> You really want a source for the fact that his site was a piracy haven? Are you that naïve?

IANAL but I figure that for the law to be upheld in an unbiased manner it must be considered naive for all intents and purposes. Simply because that's really not an argument at all, no part in the process can just come up and say "you are being naive not to believe my allegations".

Naivete, common sense, good judgment... those are really just "recourse to infinity" type arguments that only serve the speaker and have no objective meaning whatsoever. They must have no place in applying the law.

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by josteink »

kiba wrote: post #16
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #12

Look at his options: 1. Get bled until nobody will offer legal services to him because they know he can't pay. Get extradited with a public defendant (if he's lucky). Have a trial with a lawyer being provided by the DoJ (who happens to be the ones putting him on trial). 2. Get extradited with a team of really good lawyers who truly represent him. There really aren't any options that don't end with him extradited. Why…

As a US citizen, this case makes me sick to my stomach. It reeks of America strong-arming other countries to pursue an agenda that is in only its best interests. It is made worse by the high-level collusion between the government and Hollywood. Best interest of the United States? What do the US gain from this other than getting votes for those elected in office and pleasing an insignificant and corrupt industry we ca…

It is in the US's interest to protect "intellectual property", because right now that is the only profitable export it has.

Not saying it's right from a moral perspective, but from an economic perspective I don't think there can be any doubt about that.

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by josteink »

trotsky wrote: post #44

If the funds are subject to asset seizure the DOJ would never release them in a situation like this. If they got a conviction there'd be nothing left - all paid to his surprisingly expensive legal team based in the caymans. Even the dumbest feds ever would see that coming a mile away.

So lets not give the man a chance to a fair trial with his own attorneys paid with his own money, because by the law we are innocent until proven guilty, and we know he is a slimeball who will screw us.

Yeah. That sounds reasonable. The US is fucking this one up.

Not a single move so far has followed due process. Every move has been corrupt or illegal, ruled so by a judge. Not a single statement issued so far reassures that they will start following the rules.

I think we can safely say which side of this story is the dishonest and convicted one and it's not Dotcom.

Re: Kim Dotcom Will Go to the US in Exchange for Legal Funds

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

wtvanhest wrote: post #62
philwelch wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could always go on the run with Julian Assange.

Not sure why this is down voted, it is a very legitimate point.

Not really. If you like it as a comedic aside then fine but it's not a valid point in any sense beyond that.

Assange currently has the run of the Ecuadorian embassy in London (roughly the size of a large flat) but the minute he leaves that (for instance to try to get to an airport) he'll be arrested for breaching his bail terms.

Even if he's granted asylum (relatively unlikely) that won't change unless they make him an Ecuadorian diplomat with the diplomatic immunity that confers. That would however be essentially unheard of.

Assange isn't going on the run anywhere.

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