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Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by scotty79 »

refurb wrote: post #815
openrisk wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think "ideal businessmen" can spend millions to influence political outcomes and overtly commingle public and private interests I question the integrity of your judgement and feel no burden whatsoever.

Have you stopped the “crony capitalism” and moved onto something else now? Now that you’ve brought up political money and public and private interests, I’m starting to think you don’t like his politics and that’s about it. I can think of any other business who doesn’t spend millions for politics and “commingle public and private interests” (whatever that actually means).

> Now that you’ve brought up political money and public and private interests

"Crony capitalism, sometimes also called simply cronyism, is a pejorative term used in political discourse to describe a situation in which businesses profit from a close relationship with state power, [...] In other words, it is used to describe a situation where businesses thrive not as a result of free enterprise, but rather collusion between a business class and the political class."

> I can think of any other business who doesn’t spend millions for politics and “commingle public and private interests”

So if cronyism is prevalent in US to some degree then a person who does that best shouldn't be criticisized?

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#822

Post by refurb »

scotty79 wrote: post #820
refurb wrote: post #818

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People make a simple statement "Musk is the most successful businessman" and you think you know their internal thought process and are ready to condemn them. Your own bias is showing.

This simple statement shows that either they don't understand what kind of "businessman" Musk is exactly or they know but they don't care about it. He's the most successful grifter. Most successful conman. Those are simple statementd too. I condemn people who say those in honest admiration. I also condemn those ignorant of what means to be the kind of businessman Musk is while praising him.

It sounds like your entire point is "stop liking things I don't like". The very fact you say "I condemn people who say those in honest admiration" shows this is more about you than the person who made the comment.

You've provided zero evidence to back of your claims of "grifter" (whatever that is).

It's not hard. Businessmen run businesses. Musk runs many and in a very successful way. You're entitled to your own opinions, but that's what they are - nothing more than your opinions.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#823

Post by refurb »

scotty79 wrote: post #821
refurb wrote: post #815

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you stopped the “crony capitalism” and moved onto something else now? Now that you’ve brought up political money and public and private interests, I’m starting to think you don’t like his politics and that’s about it. I can think of any other business who doesn’t spend millions for politics and “commingle public and private interests” (whatever that actually means).

> Now that you’ve brought up political money and public and private interests "Crony capitalism, sometimes also called simply cronyism, is a pejorative term used in political discourse to describe a situation in which businesses profit from a close relationship with state power, [...] In other words, it is used to describe a situation where businesses thrive not as a result of free enterprise, but rather collusion be…

So please provide evidence how Tesla, SpaceX or Starlink have benefited from "a close relationship with state power".

You realize that prior to the latest election, the government generally was opposed to Elon Musk. He was investigated by the SEC, and attacked by politicians.

That sounds like the opposite of crony capitalism.

> So if cronyism is prevalent in US to some degree then a person who does that best shouldn't be criticisized?

Maybe you should start with some evidence first? Honestly, it sounds like you just don't like him and you're mad that others do like him.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by ImJamal »

btilly wrote: post #443
starspangled wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You believe the FAA, FCC, OHSA, EPA, FDA, etc., will cease to regulate SpaceX, Tesla, Nuralink operations? That seems pretty outlandish.

Elon Musk was just appointed by Donald Trump as being in charge of firing half of the government. He won't likely do that. But any regulator who gets in his way? Yeah, not many will volunteer for "the firing line."

He hasn't been appointed to any government agency since DOGE is not a government agency. DOGE has no power to fire anybody. All they can do is make recommendations.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#825

Post by ImJamal »

dotancohen wrote: post #698
flyinglizard wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon knows well enough to act as a supporting character. He can't run for presidency anyway given he's not a native, and no other political post would be interesting enough. There'll be no falling out.

Trump is not a native either, his family is German and Scottish (just checked). So far as I know a native has never held the presidency in the US.

By that logic, nobody is native. The supposedly native people did not originate in the US, but migrated from Asian.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#826

Post by GoldenLox »

Alex-Programs wrote: post #223
bilsbie wrote: post #188

Is iot useful if it needs a clear view of the sky? Also why does my cell phone not need a clear view of the cell tower? It works in my brother in laws walk in closet just fine. Same frequency.

Because you aren't 350+ miles from the cell tower. Direct to cell is only possible because it's an almost entirely unobstructed view.

*350+ km

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#827

Post by GoldenLox »

cess11 wrote: post #530

Lots of people in the comments are talking about Starlink as if it was a civilian project, it's not, it's military. Similar to mercenaries and perfidy it's not presented as military, but it is. And as such it's an action against every other state. Much like the War on Terror, some NSA activities and so on it's the US making aggressive moves against everyone else.

i totally agree. i have never thought of the nsa as an action against all states, very interesting.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#828

Post by scotty79 »

refurb wrote: post #822
scotty79 wrote: post #820

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This simple statement shows that either they don't understand what kind of "businessman" Musk is exactly or they know but they don't care about it. He's the most successful grifter. Most successful conman. Those are simple statementd too. I condemn people who say those in honest admiration. I also condemn those ignorant of what means to be the kind of businessman Musk is while praising him.

It sounds like your entire point is "stop liking things I don't like". The very fact you say "I condemn people who say those in honest admiration" shows this is more about you than the person who made the comment. You've provided zero evidence to back of your claims of "grifter" (whatever that is). It's not hard. Businessmen run businesses. Musk runs many and in a very successful way. You're entitled to your own opin…

Just "stop liking conmen just because they are rich".

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#829

Post by scotty79 »

refurb wrote: post #823
scotty79 wrote: post #821

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now that you’ve brought up political money and public and private interests "Crony capitalism, sometimes also called simply cronyism, is a pejorative term used in political discourse to describe a situation in which businesses profit from a close relationship with state power, [...] In other words, it is used to describe a situation where businesses thrive not as a result of free enterprise, but rather collusion be…

So please provide evidence how Tesla, SpaceX or Starlink have benefited from "a close relationship with state power". You realize that prior to the latest election, the government generally was opposed to Elon Musk. He was investigated by the SEC, and attacked by politicians. That sounds like the opposite of crony capitalism. > So if cronyism is prevalent in US to some degree then a person who does that best shouldn'…

Moon mission 3bln grant awarded by government person in power that after awarding it promptly quit and went to work for Musk.

And who knows what happened around starlink and military.

Tons of subsidies for Tesla. Tax cuts. All of his companies benefit hugely from tax money yet people see him as incredible self made billionaire.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

#830

Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

jonplackett wrote: post #603
mmaunder wrote: post #283

Vertical integration by Starlink of the cheapest launch capability in the world (by far) is the reason there are no competitors, and there will be no competitors. The pace of innovation at SpaceX is not THE reason - it’s an additional reason that no one has a snowballs chance in hell of ever catching Starlink. I’ve seen talk of competitor satellite networks or a possible competitor emerging. Folks it’s game set and m…

You think it’s awesome that there’s a monopoly? And it’s owned by a single, politically derelict insane man? I agree the pace of change is amazing. I marvel at everything spacex does. The starship catch was ridiculous. But no competition always leads somewhere really bad eventually

politically derelict? he's not a politician, how can he be derelict? From my perspective he's pretty politically deligent... I think what you mean is you disagree with his policies.
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