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Motivating Personal Growth by Seeking Discomfort (2022)

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Re: Motivating Personal Growth by Seeking Discomfort (2022)

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> we suggest that seeking discomfort as a signal of growth can increase motivation Can someone help me understand this please? With an example? I haven't read the paper, just the abstract. I can barely understand the abstract, I am not going to understand the paper. Per the paper, does the "discomfort" need to be in the same arena as that of the "motivation" one wants? E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does th…

> E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does the discomfort need to relate to the language, or is it enough to do something like taking cold showers?

Weird to restrict the focus of growth to one particular area, and to ask whether any discomfort (even physical) will contribute to your growth in that particular area, when the abstract just refers to "personal growth" and makes no claim related to some spooky cross-pollination of discomfort. It even gives a list of examples, and refers to feeling "awkward."

But when it comes to learning a language, some discomfort when you're using that language is obviously when improvement in the language is happening. If you're only in situations where your current knowledge is completely adequate, you'll never have any reason to get better. You're not getting better at anything if you're never breaking a sweat while doing it.

edit: could "results showed that these effects occurred only in areas of personal growth that cause immediate discomfort." be any clearer?

Re: Motivating Personal Growth by Seeking Discomfort (2022)

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> we suggest that seeking discomfort as a signal of growth can increase motivation Can someone help me understand this please? With an example? I haven't read the paper, just the abstract. I can barely understand the abstract, I am not going to understand the paper. Per the paper, does the "discomfort" need to be in the same arena as that of the "motivation" one wants? E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does th…

I think it's the science behind the windhoff cold plunges. Also the belief that societies in extreme environmemts(deserts or alaska) thrive better due to prep or die conditioons which make them less averse to physical work.

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It is always discomforting to learn of our mistakes, failures, fallabilities, and other times we've caused unhappiness in others. The fact is, however, that those are the most fruitful and important experiences to learn from, for spiritual growth is always weighed against the unhappiness and happiness we've caused. Karma ensures that we feel some of what we've caused others, as a motivating feedback system, no matter how positive or negative their effects. As such, when we act right, we feel better because we are experiencing less negative feedback. We truly reap what we sow, and the crop is our happiness or unhappiness.

The spiritual path -- i.e. the Path of Love -- is the journey to learning how to cause more happiness and less unhappiness. Note that doing that is the most important way to really improve the society and cultures we are a part of.

Like Dunning-Kruger's true-experts in any field of endeavor, the seeker of self-improvement must humbly and honestly search themself to find out which of the vices we tend to use to justify our selfish ideals, attitudes, and behaviors. Once found, we must then ceaselessly fight against manifesting them and instead choose their virtuous counterparts. Compassion is the foundation of all the virtues, but we must develop and aim our moral compass.

To love someone is to want them to be happy such that you selflessly act for their benefit. That is the only goal of the spiritual path, for the universe really prefers us to explore its wonders in peace and happiness and utter enjoyment; Earth was made for just that. And yet, it's always our choice whether to harmonize with that optimal organization and participation, or selfishly avoid it if only by denying its optimality; to either increase one's humanity, or to fall short and descend further into callous disregard or even savagery.

"Love is the astrolabe of God's mysteries." --Rumi

Re: Motivating Personal Growth by Seeking Discomfort (2022)

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> we suggest that seeking discomfort as a signal of growth can increase motivation Can someone help me understand this please? With an example? I haven't read the paper, just the abstract. I can barely understand the abstract, I am not going to understand the paper. Per the paper, does the "discomfort" need to be in the same arena as that of the "motivation" one wants? E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does th…

> E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does the discomfort need to relate to the language, or is it enough to do something like taking cold showers? Weird to restrict the focus of growth to one particular area, and to ask whether any discomfort (even physical) will contribute to your growth in that particular area, when the abstract just refers to "personal growth" and makes no claim related to some spooky cross-…

There's so much word-salad in abstracts, that I feel like I'm not sure what something is saying.

You're right in the "edit".

However, the results seem tautological and associative.

- Certain things cause discomfort.

- If you do more of certain things, you develop more motivation to do them.

- Scientific Conclusion: the discomfort caused the motivation.

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> Get full access to this article View all access and purchase options for this article. Uhm, screw you?

weird, when I googled it I found full access in same site and same DOI https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/GYY8QMPZAJRVRZQD7EJT/ful...

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> we suggest that seeking discomfort as a signal of growth can increase motivation Can someone help me understand this please? With an example? I haven't read the paper, just the abstract. I can barely understand the abstract, I am not going to understand the paper. Per the paper, does the "discomfort" need to be in the same arena as that of the "motivation" one wants? E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does th…

I think it's the science behind the windhoff cold plunges. Also the belief that societies in extreme environmemts(deserts or alaska) thrive better due to prep or die conditioons which make them less averse to physical work.

You mean Wim Hof?

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> we suggest that seeking discomfort as a signal of growth can increase motivation Can someone help me understand this please? With an example? I haven't read the paper, just the abstract. I can barely understand the abstract, I am not going to understand the paper. Per the paper, does the "discomfort" need to be in the same arena as that of the "motivation" one wants? E.g.: If I want to learn a new language, does th…

I don’t think it can be just anything. I experienced some discomfort this morning but I cannot speak to any consequential personal growth. I can tell you however that the Samyang Buldak instant ramen live up to their fiery reputation.
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