The Borgo Programming Language

Post by desumeku » Sat, Nov 30, 2024, 1:47 PM UTC

codr7 wrote: post #151

desumeku wrote: post #138

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This is a horrifically obtuse and offensive comment just because Go isn't Lisp-y or Haskell-y enough for you. Golang powers large swathes of distributed services and systems all over the world whether you like it or not, because it was designed with a very specific purpose in mind by people far more professional and accomplished than you ever will be.

And part of that specific purpose was to prevent lesser developers from making a mess, like it or not.

Post by pjmlp » Sat, Nov 30, 2024, 2:06 PM UTC

neonsunset wrote: post #106

nine_k wrote: post #103

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> our programmers are Googlers ... They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language Sounds pretty damning, I'd say. This of course illustrates why Go is called "systems PHP". > how much one was willing to pay for a commercial JDK. I strongly prefer open-source tools at the base of my stack. Not as much because of the money but more because of the level of trust. Things should be inspectable.

That's what .NET is for (both C# and F#) - it has no private implementations (Unity does not count :P). Much more competent compiler too and smaller native binaries. Something you could confidently use in production.

Post by pjmlp » Sat, Nov 30, 2024, 2:11 PM UTC

neonsunset wrote: post #122

skinkestek wrote: post #121

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Yes, I'm talking about the platform, not the syntax. It is my feeling that .Net developers with some years of experience get wide eyed when I tell them how I can use any old library that I need together with the newest JVM and my platform upgrades have mostly consisted of bumping numbers.

I don't know which developers you talked to. Honestly I should just flag this reply probably. It's nothing surprising in .NET land. If you target netstandard2.0 the library will work on any version from .NET Framework 4.6.1 and upwards. For many newer features there are compat and polyfill pacakges too - that's one of the strengths to be able to use them even on the older targets. All newer targets are forward compat…

Post by jyounker » Sat, Nov 30, 2024, 2:36 PM UTC

scythe wrote: post #85

Aldipower wrote: post #78

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JavaScript had Netscape behind it, TypeScript has Microsoft behind it, Rust had Mozilla behind it, Go has Google behind it, Java had Sun behind it, C++ had AT&T behind it, and so on.. Borgo? Cannot think about much languages that haven't any bigger company behind it. PHP maybe? To an extend Python? But today Python good pushed by the big companies of the AI hype.

Python was obscure and developed in silence for 15 years before it caught on. The team behind it just never gave up. Most people who develop independent languages give up after a year or five. Lua is similar, though it and PHP both caught on faster because they both put embedding upfront, which allowed them to be built into game engines and websites built with C.

Post by dizhn » Sat, Nov 30, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

jyounker wrote: post #167

scythe wrote: post #85

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Python was obscure and developed in silence for 15 years before it caught on. The team behind it just never gave up. Most people who develop independent languages give up after a year or five. Lua is similar, though it and PHP both caught on faster because they both put embedding upfront, which allowed them to be built into game engines and websites built with C.

I think your recollection of Python is a bit off. Python wasn't really obscure or developed in silence. If you needed a glue language for a unix system, then there were really only three choices: Perl 5, TCL/tk, and Python. If you worked in a career where you needed a glue language, then you were at the very least aware that Python existed.