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Macs that can run it are quite a bit more expensive than a 3090. GPUs can also do finetuning and run other models with larger batch sizes which Macs would struggle with. Also, for the models that fit both, an nvidia card can run it much faster.
I see often MBP with 48-64gb and 1TB under than 3500 CHF. Including the M4 (thx to black Friday week). Meanwhile 4090 are close to 2000CHF. I have no doubt where the actual value is.
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Switched to the wrong Qube that's logged into your alt just now. :) Maybe that kind of opsec failure took place earlier too.
Why do you think it's not intentional? I just replied on my phone in the elevator while going home. The other device is home laptop I share with wife. Don't need opsec in my living room :) Anyhow, you can test my findings yourself, I told you details of my prompts. Why do you think Chinese are not censoring?
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#353It still fails at very simple stuff. E.g. "I put an ordinary rock into a glass of water. I then turn the glass of water upside down, do a little dance, and then turn the glass right side up again. Where is the rock now?" 100+ lines later... "The rock is at the bottom of the glass, submerged in the water." Models from a year ago get this right sometimes https://pastebin.com/em5TT4Zn
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I don’t see why they wouldn’t. If you’re China and willing to pour state resources into LLMs, it’s an incredible ROI if they’re adopted. LLMs are black boxes, can be fine tuned to subtly bias responses, censor, or rewrite history. They’re a propaganda dream. No code to point to of obvious interference.
That is a pretty dark view on almost 1/5th of humanity and a nation with a track record of giving the world important innovations: paper making, silk, porcelain, gunpowder and compass to name the few. Not everything has to be around politics.
Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM
#355We are lucky that Alibaba, Meta and Mistral sees some strategic value in public releases. If we it was just one of them, it would be a fragile situation for downstream startups. And they’re even situated in three different countries.
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#356I’m tried it and it keeps refusing to answer coding questions. It just says I cannot answer that.
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
Macs that can run it are quite a bit more expensive than a 3090. GPUs can also do finetuning and run other models with larger batch sizes which Macs would struggle with. Also, for the models that fit both, an nvidia card can run it much faster.
I see often MBP with 48-64gb and 1TB under than 3500 CHF. Including the M4 (thx to black Friday week). Meanwhile 4090 are close to 2000CHF. I have no doubt where the actual value is.
Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM
#359We are lucky that Alibaba, Meta and Mistral sees some strategic value in public releases. If we it was just one of them, it would be a fragile situation for downstream startups. And they’re even situated in three different countries.
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> We are lucky that Alibaba, Meta and Mistral sees some strategic value in public releases. Now if we only can get Meta to understand what "Open Source" means so the word doesn't lose all meaning in the future.
Words mean whatever's convenient to the bottom line, which is why the OSI (a consortium of Amazon, Google, Microsoft etc) still doesn't recognize the SSPL, as it would be particularly inconvenient for clouds.
The OSI is fully captured by companies with a vested interest in promoting that model and/or using open source to 'dump' on the market and commoditize their compliments. To recapture the spirit of open source as being about freedom for actual users (as opposed to free labor for jailed SaaS) and a mutualistic gift culture (as opposed to a take-take-take culture) probably requires abandoning the OSI.