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The Borgo Programming Language

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Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by desumeku »

tucnak wrote: post #12
kjksf wrote: post #6

I love it. This is a language that everyone here says they want but no one will use, even though it's stable and mature (I assume because it compiles to stable and mature Go and can use every existing Go library). It hits all the "ok, Go is popular but made by morons for morons and if only it had this X advanced feature, it would be totally great". It has immutability. It has advanced enums. It has algebraic types. I…

> made by morons for morons The creators of Go have also built the foundation of everything you take for granted. The real "harsh truth" here, of course, is that the Go team exhibits engineering genius, taste, and particularity that is rare to find in our industry, such that the likes of Rust "death by committee" people may only dream of. The long-lasting obsession that Rust people have with Go and the Go team has be…

People seriously act like Rob Pike's quote was about appealing to the lowest common denominator of programmers possible without realizing that the functional programming concepts they hold so dearly have been lacking for 50 years in the world of C/C++ where it's creators came from. They are so quick to frustration over the fact that the some languages don't act like they think it should and don't require the extraneous baggage of higher-order programming in order to quickly be productive in, while at the same time the entire operating system their computer runs on contains not a single line of map(), reduce() or filter().

Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by pjmlp »

kjksf wrote: post #6

I love it. This is a language that everyone here says they want but no one will use, even though it's stable and mature (I assume because it compiles to stable and mature Go and can use every existing Go library). It hits all the "ok, Go is popular but made by morons for morons and if only it had this X advanced feature, it would be totally great". It has immutability. It has advanced enums. It has algebraic types. I…

The problem is that it is useless to try to fix Go, because that isn't what the community appreciates.

One is better off wasting brain cycles contributing to C#, Java, Kotlin, Swift, Scala, D,.... where a language being feature rich is appreciated by the community.

Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by [deleted] »

kjksf wrote: post #6

I love it. This is a language that everyone here says they want but no one will use, even though it's stable and mature (I assume because it compiles to stable and mature Go and can use every existing Go library). It hits all the "ok, Go is popular but made by morons for morons and if only it had this X advanced feature, it would be totally great". It has immutability. It has advanced enums. It has algebraic types. I…

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Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by timeon »

darthrupert wrote: post #48
weinzierl wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It literally addresses every major complaint people have with Go." It addresses complaints 1 to n but does nothing about complaint 0: Having a garbage collector with all its associated downsides.

Rust with GC is actually what many people want. And by that I don't mean using Rc everywhere nor do I even mean making a GC library and then using GC everywhere. I mean having the runtime handle all memory things with you having to think about it only when some extremely rare corner case breaks.

When companies move from Go it is usually because of GC.

Tho point of Rust is to be safe language without GC. Even if not perfect, best thing about Rust is borrow checker and border between safe/unsafe. You can use several other languages, like Ocaml, if you want Rust with GC.

Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by throwaway127482 »

pjmlp wrote: post #52
kjksf wrote: post #6

I love it. This is a language that everyone here says they want but no one will use, even though it's stable and mature (I assume because it compiles to stable and mature Go and can use every existing Go library). It hits all the "ok, Go is popular but made by morons for morons and if only it had this X advanced feature, it would be totally great". It has immutability. It has advanced enums. It has algebraic types. I…

The problem is that it is useless to try to fix Go, because that isn't what the community appreciates. One is better off wasting brain cycles contributing to C#, Java, Kotlin, Swift, Scala, D,.... where a language being feature rich is appreciated by the community.

It's not trying to fix Go, it's trying to be a new programming language. It just happens to compile to Go, and allows Go interop.

Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by pjmlp »

throwaway127482 wrote: post #57
pjmlp wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that it is useless to try to fix Go, because that isn't what the community appreciates. One is better off wasting brain cycles contributing to C#, Java, Kotlin, Swift, Scala, D,.... where a language being feature rich is appreciated by the community.

It's not trying to fix Go, it's trying to be a new programming language. It just happens to compile to Go, and allows Go interop.

Which is a way to use Go, while not using Go.

Hence better invest into ecosytems that value language design PhDs....

Re: The Borgo Programming Language

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Post by renox »

kjksf wrote: post #6

I love it. This is a language that everyone here says they want but no one will use, even though it's stable and mature (I assume because it compiles to stable and mature Go and can use every existing Go library). It hits all the "ok, Go is popular but made by morons for morons and if only it had this X advanced feature, it would be totally great". It has immutability. It has advanced enums. It has algebraic types. I…

You're right nobody will use it: it's a one man language are you going to bet your codebase on it? It probably doesn't have any tooling, debugggers.. Are the error messages from the compiler good?
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