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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by dist-epoch »

jitbit wrote: post #606
fastily wrote: post #392

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I use OVH (VPS’s specifically), which offers unlimited bandwidth. In my experience they’ve been both reliable and affordable which is a rarity. I run a few applications that require high amounts of bandwidth, so silly caps like the ones that Hetzner are imposing are a non-starter for me

I wouldn't say "affordable". Looking at their pricing page right now. A US-based 64GB RAM cloud server in OVH - $539 AWS is $220 (us-east, r6a.2xlarge instance, 1yr reserved)

If you reserve in AWS for a year, you might as well get a dedicated Hetzner server:

70 EUR for 64 GB with 8c/16t, 1 TB local NVMe

123 EUR for 128 GB with 16c/32t, 2 TB local NVMe

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Post by akudha »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #384
echoangle wrote: post #357

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> the demo instance of my OSS software which a bring your own storage Dropbox like UI for SFTP, S3, FTP, and every protocols imaginable: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash People tend to come in the demo to upload / download tons of stuffs Do you have problems with illegal content shared over your service? I wouldn’t ever offer something like this because I wouldn’t want to deal with someone uploading child…

Not really scared as I take action the second I hear about nasty things. The most recent events were people creating shared links pointing to FTP servers that had revenge porn and sharing those on a whacky telegram account, another annoying one is people who keep trying to brute force other people accounts on cloud providers even though there's a protection in place to throttle to 20 connection attempt per second, ef…

Is there a way to scan files/images as they are uploaded for illegal content?

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Post by prmoustache »

atomic128 wrote: post #282

As a customer of Linode, I feel like I'm getting a lot, maybe too much, for the money I pay. For $5 per month, I have a CPU running continuously near 100% utilization, training and retraining L1/L2/L3-CPU-cache-resident transformers, looking for patterns in futures and options markets. This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable. I expect Li…

> This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable.

The fact a usage is common doesn't mean it is profitable or that it needs to be supported for a hosting service to be profitable.

Mining crypto used to become quite common as well a decade ago and tall hosting services banned this exactly for because there was no way they could be profitable and offer decent QoS.

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Post by dangoodmanUT »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #295

I created an account with Hetzner earlier this year, and confirmed my Credit Card with them, but a few second later, they auto-suspended my account before I could log in. I emailed support, and they bluntly told me to create a new account and this time use real information... Needless to say, I bought compute elsewhere. I don't know how they're still in business.

don't use a gmail account

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Post by michaelt »

immibis wrote: post #598
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #551

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This is a for profit business not a limited common ressource being shared. What you are missing here is that the adjustment is not low usage users subsidising high usage users, it’s OVH margins. Nobody is being subsidised. Low usage users just make OVH more money than high usage users. OVH doesn’t mind because per user costs are actually low and they are already competitive at that price without adding more complexit…

If you pay $5 and use $100 of bandwidth costs, you are in fact being subsidized by other users, not by margins. We don't know what OVH pays for bandwidth though.

If I order some shoes from Amazon, I find them uncomfortable, and I return them for a full refund causing Amazon to incur a loss - have I been "subsidised" by other customers?

Personally I would say if Amazon makes a profit selling you a book and makes a loss shipping me some shoes which I return, the loss was paid by Amazon, not by you.

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Post by christophilus »

mafuy wrote: post #610
iforgotpassword wrote: post #568

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It doesn't seem so fair if you didn't know that in advance. I don't do research on what actual costs a provider I sign up with has, and whether a product might be subsidized in some way. If I relied on those 20TB a month I now got a 100 to 400% price increase. I really like hetzner and their service quality, but that does leave a bad taste... I seems like they badly miscalculated.

Well, a month ago they did not know that insane tariffs are going to exist suddenly. They are telling this pretty much as soon as they could.

There are no tariffs yet until January, and they don’t apply to Germany, anyway. This has nothing to do with tariffs.

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Post by deskr »

baq wrote: post #198
deskr wrote: post #137

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Your traffic bill is increasing by 471% and that's not OK. Bill increases don't have to be catastrophic to be bad. Remember that businesses/startups range from being well funded to not-funded-at-all-trying-to-survive. Depending on the country, 20€ can be a lot of money.

> Your traffic bill is increasing by 471% and that's not OK. Your traffic bill is increasing by 20 bucks per month and that isn’t ok? If you’re running any sort of business and that isn’t ok I’m not sure what to tell you.

I've worked for a startup in my early years that was on a shoestring budget. We had no spare money. When we celebrated a big goal we bought a supermarket cake for $2 to go with the coffee. That happened max few times a year. 20 bucks is nothing when you have a lot. But if you have nothing then 20 bucks can be everything.

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Post by christophilus »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #502
dangus wrote: post #284

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I don’t find that to be all that impressive. I’m immediately saving money with the server I built out of mostly used parts and threw in my closet compared to VPS solutions. The only reason it’s near 100% utilization is because $5 VPS instances have barely any computing power assigned to them. For the same price as one game server I’m running something like 5-8 VMs at once. I can utilize 128GB of RAM and 6/12 real CPU…

What is your annual electricity cost for that server in your closet?

I’d like to know this too, along with how you mitigate traffic spikes while using the internet connection as both your home internet and your public internet.

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Post by dangus »

christophilus wrote: post #618
throwaway2037 wrote: post #502

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What is your annual electricity cost for that server in your closet?

I’d like to know this too, along with how you mitigate traffic spikes while using the internet connection as both your home internet and your public internet.

There are no traffic spikes, it’s not serving web content to the public internet.

I probably should have been a little more clear that I don’t think VPS systems are bad or anything, it’s just that they aren’t well-suited to game servers and hardware in my closet is well-suited to it.

I was spending almost 20 euros a month for a single Hetzner cloud instance that performed worse than all my gaming VMs on my closet computer.

But if I was serving a public website or app I would probably not want it going through my home internet.

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Post by dangus »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #502
dangus wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t find that to be all that impressive. I’m immediately saving money with the server I built out of mostly used parts and threw in my closet compared to VPS solutions. The only reason it’s near 100% utilization is because $5 VPS instances have barely any computing power assigned to them. For the same price as one game server I’m running something like 5-8 VMs at once. I can utilize 128GB of RAM and 6/12 real CPU…

What is your annual electricity cost for that server in your closet?

I don’t know but probably a bit under $5 a month if 35 watts is my guess at the system idle. I haven’t bothered metering it.
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