Yes this hit me. We use a ton of traffic. Any alternatives? Although the pricing isn't too bad even with the increase, nice to have backups.
We use Hivelocity. Not exactly the same service (bare metal).
Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure what was your concern - Hetzner is obliged by law to make sure their signing up a real person or a company and that their servers are not used for malicious intent.
It's pretty obvious what the concern is, no? Hetzner's process seems to be blocking real people with no malicious intent (myself included) from creating accounts, even when we try to provide proof. Obviously this means we end up using a different provider instead. Though in my experience attempting to do business in Germany, this kind of forbidden-by-default perspective is quite common there, so they probably don't s…
Yes, Germany is an extremely low-trust society masquerading as a high-trust society.
Herzner get flack because they are probably the only German entity that the average HN user has dealings with. Anyone who has had exposure to German bureaucracy will recognise the hostility.
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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#474Earlier quoted context omitted.
OVH's infrastructure is absolutely very reliable. The pain begins when you need support. Just like you, I have lost a lot of sleep over domains held hostage by their incompetence (for almost a year in one instance). Lesson learned, never use OVH for domains. The support for their dedicated servers is just as bad, mind you, but short of a hardware failure you really don't need them. I have several years of uptime on a…
> OVH's infrastructure is absolutely very reliable. Well except that time one of their datacenters burned down, likely due to insufficient fire suppression, and the data backups were also lost because they kept them in the same building as the originals. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-ordered-... These reports criticize OVHcloud for having no fire prevention system and no power cut-off on the sit…
> data backups were also lost because they kept them in the same building as the originals.
I asked that question Hetzner support and they admitted doing the same
Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
> OVH's infrastructure is absolutely very reliable. Well except that time one of their datacenters burned down, likely due to insufficient fire suppression, and the data backups were also lost because they kept them in the same building as the originals. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-ordered-... These reports criticize OVHcloud for having no fire prevention system and no power cut-off on the sit…
> data backups were also lost because they kept them in the same building as the originals. I asked that question Hetzner support and they admitted doing the same
Better to be honest about having weak backups so users can plan accordingly, than to lie about how safe the data is and lull users into a false sense of security...
the OVH contract relating to automatic backup stipulates that a backup of the VPS server is scheduled daily, exported, and then replicated three times before being available in the customer space, and that the storage space allocated to the 'back-up option is physically isolated from the infrastructure in which the VPS server is set up.'
Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#476As a Hetzner bandwidth enjoyer affected by this, this is why ( HN cough ) multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great, because if you get rug pulled you just migrate to another provider with better prices. That said, $1/TB for bandwidth overage seems pretty fair. I empathize with the complaining but if the new price is such a ripoff everyone should be recommending what cloud VM provider they're migrating to for a better deal.
>multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great
As someone with the exact same setup, thank you for strengthening my confirmation bias.
Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#477This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…
They're not importing the VMs from Europe. And there are no new tariffs yet, inauguration is in January so there are only various announcements so far. They're using tariff to mean price, which is an unusual choice and likely because it was written by someone from Germany. This would not necessarily sound out of place to a German speaker as "Tarife" is a common way to describe differently priced plans for any kind of…
No new tariffs yet. My bad. Misread
Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#478This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…
Sorry, is Hetzner a company from Canada, China, or Mexico? Are digital goods & services indicated to be under tariff as well?
Ah my bad. Tariffs not implemented yet, and restricted to those areas. Might have been a bad choice of word by hetzner
Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#479Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably more likely has something to do with increased energy costs.
Pretty sure VA/US energy prices are a lot cheaper than German ones.
I think it wouldn't be very relevant. A surge in US energy prices would be sufficient to cause a rise in US compute prices.
I think the US has been scaling compute for both AI and mining the last year, so it makes sense
Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices
#480This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…
I hope this experience teaches you to be more polite and open-minded even when you think you know what you are talking about.
Yeah. Being wrong is always humbling.
That said, sometimes I'm right so I find a balance in the upswings and downswings of confidence