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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by gchamonlive »

sdwr wrote: post #216
justinclift wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a completely legitimate use though. Hetzner were widely telling people about that 20TB limit, so why would they be surprised when people use them as CDN boxes?

Where's the surprise? It's the classic business 2-step - drum up interest with "too good to be true" features, then cut them back. The marginal customers who need those features leave (and are too expensive to keep), everyone else is used to your product and stays.

That or they just didn't dimension well their prices and now it's biting them back.

I prefer to assume naivety over malice/negligence.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by atomic128 »

As a customer of Linode, I feel like I'm getting a lot, maybe too much, for the money I pay.

For $5 per month, I have a CPU running continuously near 100% utilization, training and retraining L1/L2/L3-CPU-cache-resident transformers, looking for patterns in futures and options markets.

This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable.

I expect Linode to change the price on me, eventually.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by czhu12 »

What are some examples of applications people are running that:

1. Require 20TB of bandwidth / month

2. That bandwidth can't be shielded by Cloudflare and others?

Is it like... real time video streaming? Gaming servers? I can't imagine a web app getting anywhere close to that.

I run a mid sized NFT art creation website that generates both images and GIF's (https://mintables.club) and with over 100000 users at peak, it only needed about 1.5TB of bandwidth.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by dangus »

atomic128 wrote: post #282

As a customer of Linode, I feel like I'm getting a lot, maybe too much, for the money I pay. For $5 per month, I have a CPU running continuously near 100% utilization, training and retraining L1/L2/L3-CPU-cache-resident transformers, looking for patterns in futures and options markets. This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable. I expect Li…

I don’t find that to be all that impressive.

I’m immediately saving money with the server I built out of mostly used parts and threw in my closet compared to VPS solutions.

The only reason it’s near 100% utilization is because $5 VPS instances have barely any computing power assigned to them.

For the same price as one game server I’m running something like 5-8 VMs at once. I can utilize 128GB of RAM and 6/12 real CPU cores (Ryzen 3600).

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by everfrustrated »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #260
everfrustrated wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is also a lot smaller network wise. Hetzner only have to get their traffic to Frankfurt to get connected to practically the whole of Europe. For the US, Ashburn N.Virginia is good but it's still only a single coast.

They are definitely paying under 2c/TB for traffic though.

Routers, optics & interconnects aren't free. $0.01/GB is very reasonable.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by ryukoposting »

atomic128 wrote: post #282

As a customer of Linode, I feel like I'm getting a lot, maybe too much, for the money I pay. For $5 per month, I have a CPU running continuously near 100% utilization, training and retraining L1/L2/L3-CPU-cache-resident transformers, looking for patterns in futures and options markets. This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable. I expect Li…

What's the justification for this approach? Buy an old NUC with some cheap Celeron in it, install Hamachi if you need remote access, and it'll pay for itself in a couple months.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by [deleted] »

sokoloff wrote: post #89
jsnell wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the language barrier. The German word Tarif doesn't mean the same as the English word tariff.

It's also used in that sense in English (in telecom/utilities, airlines, etc.), just that the political/taxation usage is more heavily covered, especially lately.

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by switch007 »

Aeolun wrote: post #179
shubhamjain wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pricing applies immediately only for new customers. For existing ones, it applies from Feb 2025.

That ain't exactly a very long timeline either.

Nope, but they must have covered their ass in the legal T&Cs with something along the lines of them being able to vary the prices at their discretion etc
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