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Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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What hardware are you able to run this on?

I am running it on a 32G memory mac mini with an M2 Pro using Ollama. It runs fine, faster than I expected. The way it explains plans for solving problems, then proceeding step by step is impressive.

How many tokens per second?

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

#192
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This one is pretty impressive. I'm running it on my Mac via Ollama - only a 20GB download, tokens spit out pretty fast and my initial prompts have shown some good results. Notes here: https://simonwillison.net/2024/Nov/27/qwq/

What hardware are you able to run this on?

If your job or hobby in any way likes LLMs, and you like to "Work Anywhere", it's hard not to justify the MBP Max (e.g. M3 Max, now M4 Max) with 128GB. You can run more than you'd think, faster than you'd think.

See also Hugging Face's MLX community:

https://huggingface.co/mlx-community

QwQ 32B is featured:

https://huggingface.co/collections/mlx-community/qwq-32b-pre...

If you want a traditional GUI, LM Studio beta 0.3.x is iterating on MLX: https://lmstudio.ai/beta-releases

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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Forgot about R1, what hardware are you using to run it?

I haven’t ran QWQ yet, but it’s a 32B. So about 20GB RAM with Q4 quant. Closer to 25GB for the 4_K_M one. You can wait for a day or so for the quantized GGUFs to show up (we should see the Q4 in the next hour or so). I personally use Ollama on an MacBook Pro. It usually takes a day or two for it to show up. Any M series MacBook with 32GB+ of RAM will run this.

On Macbooks with Apple Silicon consider MLX models from MLX community:

https://huggingface.co/collections/mlx-community/qwq-32b-pre...

For a GUI, LM Studio 0.3.x is iterating MLX support: https://lmstudio.ai/beta-releases

When searching in LM Studio, you can narrow search to the mlx-community.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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"If you're China" clearly refers to the government/party, assuming otherwise isn't good faith.

When you say this, I don't think any Chinese people actually believe you.

Not sure if the irony is intended here. The entire point is that the Chinese people aren't a monolith, hence CCP != The Chinese people.

This will also hold for whether they believe us - in that too, Chinese people won't be a monolith. Plenty of those who aren't the biggest fans of the CCP will, as they understand where we're coming from better than anyone.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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Ask Anthropic whether the USA has ever comitted war crimes, and it said "yes" and listed ten, including the My Lai Massacre in Vietname and Abu Graib. The political censorship is not remotely comparable.

> The political censorship is not remotely comparable. Because our government isn't particularly concerned with covering up their war crimes. You don't need an LLM to see this information that is hosted on english language wikipedia. American political censorship is fought through culture wars and dubious claims of bias.

> American political censorship is fought through culture wars and dubious claims of bias.

What you are describing are social moires and norms. It is not related to political censorship by the government.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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> the spirit of the sanctions What does this mean? The sanctions are very specific on what can't be sold, so the spirit is to sell anything up to that limit.

> What does this mean? The sanctions are very specific on what can't be sold, so the spirit is to sell anything up to that limit. 25% of Nvidia revenue comes from the tiny country of Singapore. You think Nvidia is asking why? (Answer: they aren’t)

Can't Alibaba use a Singapore based cloud provider? For Nvidia as long as GPUs don't move to China or maybe directly owned by Chinese company it is clear. For SG based non US data center there aren't any sanctions.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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Because training usually requires bigger batches, doing a backward pass instead of just the forward pass, storing optimizer states in memory etc. This means it takes a lot more RAM than inference, so much more that you can't run it on a single GPU. If you're training on more than one GPU, the speed at which you can exchange data between them suddenly becomes your bottleneck. To alleviate that problem, you need extrem…

But does this prevent usage of cluster or consumer GPUs to be used in training? Or does it just make it slower and less efficient? Those are real questions and not argumentative questions.

Consumer GPUs don't have Nvlink so they don't work very well in cluster.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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From the link > Performance and Benchmark Limitations: The model excels in math and coding but has room for improvement in other areas, such as common sense reasoning and nuanced language understanding.

Oh, so they made an autistic LLM

This made me laugh so much, thank you.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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That is a pretty dark view on almost 1/5th of humanity and a nation with a track record of giving the world important innovations: paper making, silk, porcelain, gunpowder and compass to name the few. Not everything has to be around politics.

Also a nation that just used their cargo ship to deliberately cut two undersea cables. But I guess that's not about politics either?

The ship was not driven by China, the media reported it incorrectly first.

Re: QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM

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I don’t see why they wouldn’t. If you’re China and willing to pour state resources into LLMs, it’s an incredible ROI if they’re adopted. LLMs are black boxes, can be fine tuned to subtly bias responses, censor, or rewrite history. They’re a propaganda dream. No code to point to of obvious interference.

That is a pretty dark view on almost 1/5th of humanity and a nation with a track record of giving the world important innovations: paper making, silk, porcelain, gunpowder and compass to name the few. Not everything has to be around politics.

giving? let's say they "gave" but that was a long time ago. What have they done as of late? "stolen, spies, espionage, artificial islands to claim territory, threats to Taiwan, conflicts with India, Uyghurs, helping Russia against Ukraine, attacking babies in AU" comes to mind.
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