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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Aeolun »

bhouston wrote: post #93

> Until this change, customers who have used fewer resources have covered the costs, in a way, for other customers who have used much more resources. We want to make things more balanced. I may know one of the culprits -- whom I will leave unnamed here. But the company, who is fairly popular, built out their own CDN via putting a bunch of nginx caching proxies on various Hetzner servers around the world. It apparentl…

Then why does this only apply in the US? Are they saying EU customers are well behaved?

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by jsheard »

tr33house wrote: post #165
jsheard wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only in singapore is traffic really expensive at $8/TB. Expensive by Hetzner standards but still cheap by cloud standards, egress from Singapore EC2 instances is between $80 and $120 per TB for example.

$80!! EC2 is a scam

It's $120/TB for the first 10TB in a month, so you need to be spending >$1200 just on bandwidth every month before you even get the "discounted" rates.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by crazygringo »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #161

This thread is where I'm learning that American English uses tariff mainly for import tariffs. Here in India, the most common usage of it is to talk about telecom tariffs - mainly mobile, sometimes broadband. So it didn't even occur to me when reading the question that it might have anything to do with import tariffs, until I read some comments that misunderstood it that way.

Not just mainly, but exclusively in my experience. (Import/export tariffs.)

Until this thread, I have never encountered the term "bar tariff" for a list of drink prices, or "energy tariff" instead of rate. Those uses are simply not American English, and you would be misunderstood.

Hetzner is a German company so I find myself wondering if this is a British usage, or a mistranslation of the German word "tarif" that should be "rate"? (A common mistranslation category known as "false friends".)

TIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_(disambiguation)

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Aeolun »

tchbnl wrote: post #2

>Until this change, customers who have used fewer resources have covered the costs, in a way, for other customers who have used much more resources. So... raising the prices for everybody instead?

Yeah, I really don't understand that part of the message. It'd make sense if they were lowering prices elsewhere, but now they just... raise them? I seriously don't see how that benefits _anyone_ except Hetzner.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by pixl97 »

ragall wrote: post #144
deskr wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your traffic bill is increasing by 471% and that's not OK. Bill increases don't have to be catastrophic to be bad. Remember that businesses/startups range from being well funded to not-funded-at-all-trying-to-survive. Depending on the country, 20€ can be a lot of money.

Yes,that is OK. It's still much cheaper than the alternatives.

Ya if you're on the cheapest service and and the next cheapest service is an order of magnitude higher or more then your business is already at risk. It's a sign that it's subsidized and that a pricing shock will happen in the future.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by ghaff »

paxys wrote: post #168
macspoofing wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>“Culprits” because they used the service they paid for within its advertised limits? "Culprits" because it was their (legal) use of the service that made Hetzner rethink and change their service plan.

So then the culprits are the company’s own engineering and marketing departments for not correctly anticipating user demand.

Or you take your best shot and then adjust as needed.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by heraldgeezer »

>Until this change, customers who have used fewer resources have covered the costs, in a way, for other customers who have used much more resources. We want to make things more balanced.

Isent this how every ISP works?

You and all your neighbors can subscribe to 1Gigabit because they don't anticipate everyone maxxing out the bandwidth at once?

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Aeolun »

shubhamjain wrote: post #32
elpocko wrote: post #7

In the second example charging 28% more for 90% less traffic, starting in 3 days. That's straight up illegal in some parts of the world, but apparently not in the US?

The pricing applies immediately only for new customers. For existing ones, it applies from Feb 2025.

That ain't exactly a very long timeline either.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by mardifoufs »

immibis wrote: post #149
shubhamjain wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already offer it on their European servers and it's still unchanged. Also, just because it's included doesn't mean everyone is using it to their full capacity.

Internet is much cheaper in Europe than in most other regions and there's more of it. Europe is effectively the center of the Internet. Most of the time (in regions like Asia-Pacific and Africa) this is simply due to having more time and money to build it, but when comparing Europe to the USA, it's probably because of regulatory structure - more competition, less monopolization.

What do you mean? Is peering/transit actually more expensive in the US? Residential internet isn't really relevant here, and if it was, it would still not really make sense considering that Germany (where they have their main datacenter) has much worse internet than the US according to most speed/bandwidth averages. Because if you are not referring to residential ISP, I don't think there's any peering/transit provider monopoly in the US
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