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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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When has AWS done something like this? LB11 going from 20TB to 1TB for the same price is wild if you’d built a business on this platform.

If you use 20 TB each month the price will be 25.39€ instead of 5.39€. I can't think of any business that would seriously struggle with this 20€ monthly price increase.

Price increases are not a nice thing, but this one is not catastrophic.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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post #49
post #33

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No, they realized that nobody switches away from AWS because of their expensive bandwidth.

Bingo, lots of people are loud about this online and many influencers screaming about this on Twitter, so it’s easy to conflate that as a pressing issue. Ultimately a thousand indie devs mad about bandwidth extortion are still making up less than 1% of a serious company’s revenue for AWS. I’ve liked using Hetzner before and I’m curious how they’ll go after the market now. This is probably the wrong move though; Cloud…

There probably are a number of things about AWS (see also no hard price caps) that people on forums froth at the mouth about but which most customers AWS actually cares about are largely indifferent about.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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post #67

Traffic over-usage is $1 per TB, so this is still quite fair, only in singapore is traffic really expensive at $8/TB.

> only in singapore is traffic really expensive at $8/TB.

Expensive by Hetzner standards but still cheap by cloud standards, egress from Singapore EC2 instances is between $80 and $120 per TB for example.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

#125
I would like to know more about their bandwidth costs to learn if:

  * they have to pay that much more for (outbound) traffic in the US
  * miscalculated their US expansion and are trying to recoup
  * they think customers will only bitch, but stay anyways

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

#126

I would think an auction system would be the best system to price bandwidth.

Theoretically would be cool. Basically you have a docker that can run anywhere and you automatically migrate it based on prices between different service providers. The issue is there isn't incentives for the cloud providers to do this, because it wouldn't benefit the incumbents. Maybe if the government mandated it at some point, like phone number portability was mandated.

It’s also bad for customers because you wouldn’t have predictability in your cost structure.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

#127

> Until this change, customers who have used fewer resources have covered the costs, in a way, for other customers who have used much more resources. We want to make things more balanced. I may know one of the culprits -- whom I will leave unnamed here. But the company, who is fairly popular, built out their own CDN via putting a bunch of nginx caching proxies on various Hetzner servers around the world. It apparentl…

Want to give a clue on who the culprit is?

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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post #95

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Never. I don't think AWS have _ever_ icnreased prices.

They have, but usually it is via introducing additional fees to services/transactions, eg: https://www.astuto.ai/blogs/understanding-the-aws-public-ipv... https://www.wiv.ai/navigating-the-rising-tide-of-aws-pricing...

The IPv4 charge is a good one!

I thought this was to allow them to be more relaxed about the limit (5 per region) which is how they used to control fully free services that cost them.

But an increase for sure - they did note the supply of free ARIN allocations was gone

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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How is there a duopoly in the cloud market in the US?

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> They also have nothing like Cloudflare and dozens of other large cloud services companies. Europe has a cloud so basic and primitive you'd think they were a developing economic region still struggling to grasp basic software development.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

If you think Europe, which has United Internet(Ionos), OVH, scaleway, and many others is a developing region, you have never seen the hosting market in an actually developing market.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

#130

Ahh, yes, the good old "here, you purchased X amount of things for $Z. But don't dare to use everything you paid for, or we double the price"

Hetzner have definitely always been scumbags about the bait & switch on aspects of their service like that. Granted it's pretty typical of the too good to be true rule of life.

Do you have any details? I was about to move all my services off from vultr to hetzner due to the much better pricing
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