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Tesla excluded from EV buyer credits in California proposal

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Re: Tesla excluded from EV buyer credits in California proposal

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Post by Yizahi »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #90
Yizahi wrote: post #70

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Most people miss that most people in the world live in the apartments and not in the private houses. I wouldn't be able to charge EV at home even via 1A usb cable, simply because there is no wiring whatsoever on the parking.

This is crazy to me. So you have an increased concentration of people and parking, and so there is NO WAY to more efficiently make charging infra for that? The only way we can do home charging is in geographically semi-sparse suburbia? Come on. Apartment buildings should be STRONGLY incented by local governments to provide charging infrastructure, even if it is simply regular power outlets not even L2, to apartments.…

I fully agree. But the actual EU reality (Poland) is that right now, this year, if you will go to the new modern (and really expensive relatively) apartment development and ask about EV parking spots, they will either tell you that nothing is wired, or that there are 1 or 2 spots per whole parking where you can later pay to install charger, which may or may not be already sold. And these spots are more expensive that other regular ones.

Re: Tesla excluded from EV buyer credits in California proposal

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Post by ivewonyoung »

adastra22 wrote: post #92
ivewonyoung wrote: post #77

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> why should there be tax incentives at all for a product that is wildly popular and seeing adoption even without a tax credit? To reduce air pollution and combat climate change. To encourage ICE manufacturers to switch.

The point is that the tipping point has already been reached. People who want electric vehicles are going to buy one, with or without the tax credit. Those who don't (e.g. because they can't have a charger where they live) aren't going to be swayed by the tax credit. It's not clear it has any effect on EV adoption anymore.

There's enough people on the fence for $7500 to matter. Car demand is price elastic.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

tzs wrote: post #100
madaxe_again wrote: post #59

Politically, I generally put my chips down on the liberal side of things - and this ain’t it. This is the kind of stuff that makes you go “maybe Ayn Rand had a point”. Arguably, the only reason Musk has decided to wade into politics is exactly this kind of shit - how can one build a business in an arbitrarily regulated environment, where it’s one rule for me, and one for thee? The regulatory environment is supposed t…

Starlink not getting rural broadband subsidies is an example of the regulatory environment being impartial and applying the same rules to everyone. There were minimum performance requirements attached the subsidies and Starlink fell short. The FAA has processed Starship matters about as fast as the process similar things for other companies. Tesla hasn't faced any more scrutiny from NHTSA than anyone other carmaker w…

The measurement time for performance was 25/26 for RDOF.

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Post by ziiiio »

griomnib wrote: post #97
ziiiio wrote: post #80

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Fifty percent of Americans are female, and most of these bills you refer to are intended to help them by preventing male incursion. Yes, this might make it more difficult for that minority of males who demand to use female spaces. That's the whole point.

Please elucidate me on your opinions about women’s rights then: Reproductive rights? Paid maternity leave? Equal pay? Equal civil rights? Acknowledging domestic labor as vital to the economy and supporting it? It seems to me that people who get hot and bothered about “protecting” women’s restrooms don’t actually care about women, they just don’t like queer people .

Why do you believe that?

For your information, I support reproductive rights including the right to abortion and I believe that paid maternity leave that is generous both in amount paid and length of time before and after birth is much-needed policy. Equal pay for the same work and equal civil rights are of course essential, and domestic labour should be valued highly rather than taken for granted like so much contribution of women is.

I also support equal rights for same-sex couples, including the right to get married.

So maybe reconsider your assumptions? Thanks.

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Post by bagels »

lightedman wrote: post #99
bagels wrote: post #21

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Not a Subaru?

I already have one, don't need two! Just got this one, to boot. Customized 2013 outback with rally off-road package (paddle shifters, better shocks, still same crummy articulation.) I was thinking more electric vehicle that can do off-roading. I'd love to see a small EV truck or wagon with its motor attached to an actual 4x4 transmission. Don't care if auto or manual (but no CVT please, I'm not entirely a fan of mine…

They don't have center diffs or transfer cases on electric vehicles because range would be harmed too much. Battery capacity is a real bottleneck that creates a lot of engineering challenges (must have an efficient drivetrain, efficient aero). Seems like they can program their way out of the lack of low gearing if they wanted too since you have good torque at low rpm with electric.

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Post by teractiveodular »

m463 wrote: post #71
rcleveng wrote: post #63

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I wish AZ was as good at this as CA. I rented a tesla from avis in AZ and it was a train wreck. At rental they were pretty threatening about they didn't have a place to charge so it'd be huge fees if I didn't bring it back charged, and they also didn't include the adapter that they said to charge at non-tesla charging stations. It's was both super stressful and a total pain to find a supercharge for this nearby. It's…

I had the same sorts of issues the first time I rented a model 3 from hertz (when they had them). For example, I didn't know how to lock the car. When I hit lock on the center console, then got out, it would unlock it. Finally had to google to figure out the two ways to lock the car. one was opening the door first, hitting lock, and then closing the door - it stayed locked. The other was to put the card key on the mi…

You don't need to actively lock a Tesla, just walk away. It will lock itself as soon as it realizes you're no longer next to it.

Yes, this took some getting used to (what if it doesn't realize I'm gone?), but in several years of Tesla ownership it has failed to lock precisely zero times. And now I regularly forget to lock non-Tesla rentals.

Re: Tesla excluded from EV buyer credits in California proposal

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Post by teractiveodular »

tzs wrote: post #98
omarforgotpwd wrote: post #73

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It makes no sense to subsidize only the players who have low market share. Tesla is the only carmaker that still makes cars in California, why subsidize foreign cars at the expense of California workers… using their own tax dollars? The only justification for such harmful economic policy is political retaliation against Musk. But it is not the role of the government to use taxpayer funds for political retribution aga…

It makes sense for the same reason that Musk reportedly endorsing Trump's plan to kill federal EV subsidies makes sense. Tesla is profitable enough that Musk believes that Tesla will do fine without subsidies. Not so for most other EV makers--they are still at the stage where they are figuring it out and not yet reaping economies of scale. Musk believes that removal of subsidies will greatly hurt them. If a state wan…

I'm not sure why you're bring downvoted, since Musk is on the record saying exactly this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-tesla-elon-musk-supports...

Whether he actually believes this or is just claiming to believe this to placate Trump is another question.

Re: Tesla excluded from EV buyer credits in California proposal

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Post by omarforgotpwd »

kzs0 wrote: post #84
omarforgotpwd wrote: post #73

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It makes no sense to subsidize only the players who have low market share. Tesla is the only carmaker that still makes cars in California, why subsidize foreign cars at the expense of California workers… using their own tax dollars? The only justification for such harmful economic policy is political retaliation against Musk. But it is not the role of the government to use taxpayer funds for political retribution aga…

Why? It fosters competition and considering Tesla was heavily subsidized during its early years, it makes sense its competitors should have similar shots

Subsidies should not be used to decide winners and losers. There should be an equal playing field for all companies. When the government starts deciding winners instead of the market, things start falling apart fast.
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