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Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by tehjoker »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #145
tehjoker wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tbqh, first if the insinuation is that China is not democratic, that is only true in the sense it is not a liberal democracy with a conservative wing represented (a good thing), but it is still a democracy with elections. secondly, if people surviving a literal genocide in Palestine can resist the most technologically sophisticated, surveilled, and completely enclosed death camp ever constructed by the U.S. and Israe…

China is a one party state is it not? > you can deal with cameras Still rather not.

Is it more democratic to let the majority be oppressed by a tiny property holding parasitic class or is it more democratic to repress them and express the interests of the majority?

Bear in mind when you answer that scientific surveys show American "democracy" is an oligarchy with popular opinion being almost entirely disconnected from policy.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

tehjoker wrote: post #231
BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is a one party state is it not? > you can deal with cameras Still rather not.

Is it more democratic to let the majority be oppressed by a tiny property holding parasitic class or is it more democratic to repress them and express the interests of the majority? Bear in mind when you answer that scientific surveys show American "democracy" is an oligarchy with popular opinion being almost entirely disconnected from policy.

I wouldn’t argue that China is a representation of the latter, the CCP fails to represent the interests of the majority. Furthermore, I think the ideology of herding and repressing the confused masses is a despicable and blatantly invalid one, which is why I despise its use in America.

Yes, the US is an oligarchy of rich people with enormous influence over our sham system. That’s why I don’t want the system pointing cameras at me; I know the person behind the screen doesn’t represent my interests.

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Post by namaria »

godelski wrote: post #136
casenmgreen wrote: post #78

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The problem is that by this it becomes ever more difficult to get rid of an oppressive, dictatorial, unelected and violent Government.

For people unfamiliar with this topic, it is commonly referred to as "Turnkey Tyranny". It is about the belief that you "don't give Mr Rogers any power you wouldn't give to Hitler." Basically no matter how great you think your current leader is, you recognize that they will not be in power forever (or that they may not be good forever). Democracy, autocracy, oligarchy, whatever your system of government, there is a s…

I am pretty sure this is the loophole Gödel found with the American constitution. It is pretty easy to turn the US government authoritarian, if you elect an authoritarian president.

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Post by _yb2s »

1659447091 wrote: post #221
_yb2s wrote: post #36

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TSA will punish you for opting out of anything. If you're lucky, the least they will do is hold you up a long time so you have a good chance of missing your flight. I've also had them sexually harass me, and confiscate (e.g. steal) legal items in retaliation for opting out of things I had the legal right to opt out of. They know people are in a hurry and won't do anything about being treated unethically or illegally,…

I would be curious to know which airport(s) you receive this treatment from? I fly regularly between a handful of major US hubs. There is only one airport that I would be vocal about their treatment of passengers to a group of local TSA that I played co-ed sports with. The most senior one's response was that it wasn't surprising as that location (entire airport management) has had a toxic culture from the top down an…

I fly a lot and cannot remember where these events occurred. It was a small airport in California- not in the Bay Area or LA.

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Post by colanderman »

_yb2s wrote: post #36
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #2

I was shocked to see this program arrive in my local airport. I opt out every time, but the horrifying thing is that almost everyone simply complies with whatever is asked of them. The TSA agents use phrasing that make it seem like you are supposed to go through the facial recognition process and don’t have a choice. Yes, there are tiny signs scattered around that say you can opt out. But when the officer says “step…

TSA will punish you for opting out of anything. If you're lucky, the least they will do is hold you up a long time so you have a good chance of missing your flight. I've also had them sexually harass me, and confiscate (e.g. steal) legal items in retaliation for opting out of things I had the legal right to opt out of. They know people are in a hurry and won't do anything about being treated unethically or illegally,…

I'm sorry you experienced this. Don't be hard on yourself for not calling them out, you shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of doing so.

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Post by actionfromafar »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #201
shiroiushi wrote: post #164

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That's because you can't really drive trains into buildings, and while you could technically do it with a bus, it's not that feasible nor that damaging. Flying a huge intercontinental airliner fully loaded with fuel into a building is quite different. There's very good practical reasons the terrorists chose airplanes and not trains or buses.

That is already completely mitigated by the fact that cockpit is sealed now days, so hijackers cannot kill/disable the pilots and take over.

Also passengers will fight back now. Before 911, the advice was, stay calm and do what the hijackers tell you to do. And things would work out for the most part.
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