The AI PC marketing campaign as of now is not good. What exactly is an AI PC? Many consumers are still uneasy with some AI use and just tagging this label onto a laptop doenst look to be increasing mindshare or moving units.
It's a PC that has a decent NPU. By next year every PC will be an AI PC so it won't really matter.
Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
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Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Neural Processing Unit
But all they add to Windows is optical character recognition and webcam backgrounds, so really they're just ultra efficient GPUs, nothing neural about it I assumed they would do some kind of local LLM that helped me find files, but no, the search function in windows explorer has actually regressed and no longer matches on exact substrings.
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#23Planned obsolescence.
Umm, I guess technically it is? We've known about Windows 10 EOL date for a long time now, since it was first released in 2015. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they have consistently supported Windows for a MINIMUM of 10 years since Windows XP (2001). That's absolutely a solid record when you compare it to the computing half-life of support that other tech companies usually give. Look at Samsung, or even Googl…
They backtracked once they realised they're losing money by not having the sales bump from numbered upgrades i.e. the sales bump from planned obsolescence
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't recall EOL being acknowledged until quite recently, a quick search brings me to a "confirmation" last year [0]. Not to mention the 2015 evangelism slip up that errantly put on record that Windows 10 would be "the last version of Windows" [1] [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/04/30/microsof... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/window...
They acknowledged the exact date in 2022 just before Windows 11 was released: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows... But even then, what point are you even trying to make? Windows 10, like previous releases before it, when its support end, will mean it was supported for a solid 10 years. I mean, that's a lifetime in tech; 2015 was the iPhone 6s.
And I'm nitpicking, but each version of Windows 10 was its own release with a lifecycle of 1-2 years, like Ubuntu. We don't say that Arch has been supported for a solid 22 years just because it's been able to be seamlessly upgraded for that long.
Also, if most major OS and device vendors provide 7-10 years of security updates, and many of them did that before, is it really that much of a "lifetime" to anyone but the outliers?
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#25The AI PC marketing campaign as of now is not good. What exactly is an AI PC? Many consumers are still uneasy with some AI use and just tagging this label onto a laptop doenst look to be increasing mindshare or moving units.
I take it to mean it is a Marketing term which really means one or more of these items:
* Locked down PC where you will do what we say, not what you want to do.
* No hardware upgrades, want more memory, diskspace ? Buy a new Laptop.
* You will now need to pay 30 USD per month to use this Laptop. It is 10 USD fee for students.
* No internet connection means some functions will not work.
* We will spy on your usage, but you can press a disable button. Heard in the boardrooms "that disable button really turns on more spyware because if they find it, we really want to watch that person". ie: Recall
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#26Planned obsolescence.
Umm, I guess technically it is? We've known about Windows 10 EOL date for a long time now, since it was first released in 2015. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they have consistently supported Windows for a MINIMUM of 10 years since Windows XP (2001). That's absolutely a solid record when you compare it to the computing half-life of support that other tech companies usually give. Look at Samsung, or even Googl…
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
They acknowledged the exact date in 2022 just before Windows 11 was released: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows... But even then, what point are you even trying to make? Windows 10, like previous releases before it, when its support end, will mean it was supported for a solid 10 years. I mean, that's a lifetime in tech; 2015 was the iPhone 6s.
Why do I recall Windows 10 being referred to as "the last version of Windows" because it was supposed to be capable of being supported indefinitely as a rolling release distro? And I'm nitpicking, but each version of Windows 10 was its own release with a lifecycle of 1-2 years, like Ubuntu. We don't say that Arch has been supported for a solid 22 years just because it's been able to be seamlessly upgraded for that lo…
You must be fun at parties. /s
Yes you are right. Windows 10 had a lot of releases, more like the old service packs. And Windows 11 seems to follow the same strategy.
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't recall EOL being acknowledged until quite recently, a quick search brings me to a "confirmation" last year [0]. Not to mention the 2015 evangelism slip up that errantly put on record that Windows 10 would be "the last version of Windows" [1] [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/04/30/microsof... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/window...
They acknowledged the exact date in 2022 just before Windows 11 was released: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows... But even then, what point are you even trying to make? Windows 10, like previous releases before it, when its support end, will mean it was supported for a solid 10 years. I mean, that's a lifetime in tech; 2015 was the iPhone 6s.
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
But all they add to Windows is optical character recognition and webcam backgrounds, so really they're just ultra efficient GPUs, nothing neural about it I assumed they would do some kind of local LLM that helped me find files, but no, the search function in windows explorer has actually regressed and no longer matches on exact substrings.
There are a lot more features than that.
Re: Windows 10's farewell tour – not AI PCs – set to drive laptop sales in 2025
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
But all they add to Windows is optical character recognition and webcam backgrounds, so really they're just ultra efficient GPUs, nothing neural about it I assumed they would do some kind of local LLM that helped me find files, but no, the search function in windows explorer has actually regressed and no longer matches on exact substrings.
There are a lot more features than that.