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Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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What's interesting is that the people who are able to predict and come up with the idea (e.g. a researcher using AI in 2021) are often not the best ones to execute on it (typically, lack of experience or capacity to handle the pain of growth while marketing). What's most interesting is that most people aren't just "one type". In your life you go through multiple roles. Just like how most people, regardless of their i…

"Most people will be earning top 35% income by age 35" seems like a patently false statement. Clearly more than 35% of the working population is over 35.

A few things here and a few stats:

- Firstly, I admit I can't find where I heard the age 35 specific claim to reference it. I have listed two sources below and found an even stronger claim by Thomas Sowell (that most people at one year of their life in America earn top 20% income), but it wasn't that statement I was looking for, so I will keep try to find it. But income decile movement surveys in the UK supports this, as do dynamic income surveys conducted in the US, so I'll share those to you:

- Income is highly mobile. When tracking what income groups have, within groups there is great variation. Half the people with top 20% of income drop out of the top 20% over 5 year periods, with a significant proportion of those dropping out (30%) dropping to below average income. In other words 15% of the people earning the top quintile of income will earn below average income in 5 years time.

... Meanwhile, showing upwards mobility, 20% of the people earning the 20% lowest in the UK moved to the top 40% of income by just 5 years later in this study (Figure 19 / corresponding table) - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/income-dynamics-201...

- You seem to assume income goes up over time, however in western countries, income tends to peak at 30-50, hence 35 in the stat. It peaks at age 37 and stays flatish until it declines from age 44 in the UK, for example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/824464/mean-disposable-i...

- Historically, older people earned more in the 40s and 50s, but due to COVID or the simple growth in proportion of people economically inactive or in part time roles at those ages, you can see how in the UK in the last 20 years that trend disappeared: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personal...

- Children and pensioners essentially earn nothing for the purposes of this stat, but as they still spend (or indirectly through parents consume) money, they're in this total. Pensioners are reasonably part of this stat because they are spending in the economy, but are seldom members of the "working population"

The main resource I would suggest on income mobility is "Chasing the American Dream: Understanding What Shapes Our Fortunes" which is based on the Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID) [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jacc.12716] - it does date to the 70s/80s, but it focuses on: can you achieve top income, can you have income security. Their major finding is that A) Most people through randomness and effort end up earning above-average incomes during the middle stage of their life, and that B) Wealth, but not income, is cumulative.

This is also historically constant, for example Thomas Sowell wrote about how most Americans at the time would be in the top 20% of income for at least one year of their life in "Economic Facts and Fallacies" and "Basic Economics". (obviously the UK quintile study notes decreased lower income exit mobility which is bad for poorer people and means dynamic income mobility is reducing).

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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"Just like how most people, regardless of their income at age 20 will be earning top 35% income by age 35" Could you say more about this, or perhaps provide a link where we can read more?

The general is that income, like wealth, is correlated with age, not ransom. Most workers under 18 will be making near minimum wage. Workers in their 20s are probably still starting their careers. People fall off again when they are older, as they either retire early or in some professions just become less capable. So when you put it all together, a lot of people with an under average career will have an over average…

Yep. I have responded in another post with some stats/surveys. Exactly, the aggregation of people hides the trends, and the fact that a 35 year old is not competing with other 35 year olds, but also with other 21 year olds working at cafes, contributes to this.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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Well in this case it wouldn’t be undercutting, since the lite version would be totally unusuable for a big complex company.

It would be a cheaper alternative for at least some use cases. At least some companies that were currently using the big version would switch to the lite version.

Then they would have been viable customers for a smaller challenger…?

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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> YC startups don’t have to be unique. Far from it. Slow news day. YC has made it clear over the years it's almost all about the founders not the idea. It's almost impossible to know if an idea is good at the early stages, and ideas change, startups pivot, often the timing is wrong, and the market unproven etc. More often than not most of what startups do is not unique, otherwise there's no market for it. A new take…

Steve Jobs or maybe just Apple used to pit teams against each other to develop a solution to a problem and then pick the strongest of the two. It also offers a convenient way to pull investment out early if the doppelganger startup isn't meeting targets. Just get the original startup to buy them out. It's not something that is a negative for YC, but it could be for the startups they back.

I think at this point in time most founders should try to avoid accelerators and things like YC especially if their goal is to just be a business owner of a sustainable company rather than climbing the VC funding ladder hoping to win the founder lottery.

YC and all similar accelerators are an investment tool for its owners and investors, and they really don’t have any financial incentive to ensure that its founders achieve the best outcome for themselves.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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Worked for a major ecommerce company that did this too - It was extremely unpleasant to work under (yet profitable if you won) and I don't like the practice but it was pretty effective. I'd guess that YC would take the "sea turtle" reproduction pattern here of hatching a bunch of mostly similar turtles and hoping a couple of them make it to sea. Stinks for the small guys that don't make it though.

Truly curious, why does it "stink" for the loser? Being funded with pay to pursue a failing business venture with a chance at wild financial success seems like a pretty good gig.

You can do the same thing by working a temporary contractor role and playing the local lottery.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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> YC startups don’t have to be unique. Far from it. Slow news day. YC has made it clear over the years it's almost all about the founders not the idea. It's almost impossible to know if an idea is good at the early stages, and ideas change, startups pivot, often the timing is wrong, and the market unproven etc. More often than not most of what startups do is not unique, otherwise there's no market for it. A new take…

The idea of a VC firm investing in something because the founders are just swell fellas isn't easily acceptable as a premise. If you're prompting a move fast and break things culture, you can't then excuse your mediocrity with a "new take on old things" excuse. Pick a lane.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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Folks had been using alternatives to rent space like HomeAway.com, VRBO.com, BedandBreakfast.com and Craigslist for years. Airbnb won because: - Better design, easy to use, nice pictures they took themselves at first (per PG's advice) - Integrated payments and reviews in a seamless experience - Popularized the idea of sharing a space when the host is there - Offered unique accommodations in urban places - Lots of buz…

>> - Popularized the idea of sharing a space when the host is there this was not a popular option, and I don't believe was ever intended to be. It also opened the door for VRBO to gain traction explicitly marketing NOT sharing accommodation. The "rent out your spare bedroom" has never been a major component; it was a fake-out to counter the regulatory & licensing complaints they were facing.

It was a huge focus of their early marketing, to the point where I was surprised to find out later that people were just renting out the properties vrbo style.

It's also quite literally in the name - 'bnb' - which necessarily implies the hosts are there with you.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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> YC startups don’t have to be unique. Far from it. Slow news day. YC has made it clear over the years it's almost all about the founders not the idea. It's almost impossible to know if an idea is good at the early stages, and ideas change, startups pivot, often the timing is wrong, and the market unproven etc. More often than not most of what startups do is not unique, otherwise there's no market for it. A new take…

Yeah, YC definitely has a soft spot for familiar ideas, but they’ve also backed some pretty unique companies that came out of left-field.

Our startup, The Ac28R, is a good example of this. It’s a whole new approach to specifying and developing software - way more accurately than LLMs like ChatGPT, thanks to it being a new kind of AI. So even if it doesn’t really fit into any typical category, we still believe that any idea will find its audience, if it is strong enough.

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