They were probably expecting these to fail a few months after the warranty expired.
The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
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Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
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If they do a recall, it will say they should be discarded. Sony has a recall on all its trinitron tvs made before the end of 1990 like this: https://www.sony.jp/products/overseas/contents/support/infor...
This shouldn't be allowed at all: if the product was bad all along, they should be required to fix it, and shouldn't be able to say "well, it's old, so you should just trash it", which means they don't suffer any penalty whatsoever.
I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in general, and certainly not in this case. The affected TVs were all at least 20 years old - that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these. Nor is it clear what Sony could reasonably have done to repair them; even by 2010, a lot of the parts used in CRT TVs were out of production and unavailable.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
This shouldn't be allowed at all: if the product was bad all along, they should be required to fix it, and shouldn't be able to say "well, it's old, so you should just trash it", which means they don't suffer any penalty whatsoever.
I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in general, and certainly not in this case. The affected TVs were all at least 20 years old - that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these. Nor is it clear what Sony could reasonably have done to repair them; even by 2010, a lot of the parts used in CRT TVs were out of production and unavailable.
Maybe you're too young to remember, but people used to keep TVs for much longer periods before HDTV and flat panels came out.
Also, these TVs are apparently fire hazards. It doesn't matter that they're 20 years old (at the point of the "recall" in 2010).
I doubt the parts necessary to fix them were out of production; you can get parts for truly ancient electronics still. Things like capacitors don't become obsolete. The recall doesn't specify exactly which component is problematic, but says it's age-related, which usually points to capacitors.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
This shouldn't be allowed at all: if the product was bad all along, they should be required to fix it, and shouldn't be able to say "well, it's old, so you should just trash it", which means they don't suffer any penalty whatsoever.
I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in general, and certainly not in this case. The affected TVs were all at least 20 years old - that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these. Nor is it clear what Sony could reasonably have done to repair them; even by 2010, a lot of the parts used in CRT TVs were out of production and unavailable.
> that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these
A modern TV may have an expected lifespan of five years. TVs from several decades ago had lifespans of... several decades. Quality has plummeted in that market.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
#15Apple should be required to do a recall for these motherboards.
They don't do recalls even on modern hardware. But soldering hacks are no longer possible, all parts are serialized.
Louis Rossmann made many videos on this.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
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I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in general, and certainly not in this case. The affected TVs were all at least 20 years old - that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these. Nor is it clear what Sony could reasonably have done to repair them; even by 2010, a lot of the parts used in CRT TVs were out of production and unavailable.
Maybe you're too young to remember, but people used to keep TVs for much longer periods before HDTV and flat panels came out. Also, these TVs are apparently fire hazards. It doesn't matter that they're 20 years old (at the point of the "recall" in 2010). I doubt the parts necessary to fix them were out of production; you can get parts for truly ancient electronics still. Things like capacitors don't become obsolete.…
This. I’ve known a TV that was in more or less daily use for over 30 years. Not sure why we stopped expecting that from electronics.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
#17Commodore struggled with same mistakes on negative rail in Audio section, but also somehow on highend expensive CPU board. https://wiki.console5.com/wiki/Amiga_CD32 C408 C811 "original may be installed backwards! Verify orientation against cap map" A4000 https://wordpress.hertell.nu/?p=1438 C443 C433 "notice that the 2 capacitors that originally on A4000 have the wrong polarity" Much worse is Commodore A3640 68040 CP…
Typical Amiga fanboyism and Apple envy, if a Mac does something they have to prove the Amiga outdid it. “Only one model with a reverse polarity capacitor? With Commodore it was a systematic issue!”
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
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Maybe you're too young to remember, but people used to keep TVs for much longer periods before HDTV and flat panels came out. Also, these TVs are apparently fire hazards. It doesn't matter that they're 20 years old (at the point of the "recall" in 2010). I doubt the parts necessary to fix them were out of production; you can get parts for truly ancient electronics still. Things like capacitors don't become obsolete.…
This. I’ve known a TV that was in more or less daily use for over 30 years. Not sure why we stopped expecting that from electronics.
Because electronics got so much better so much faster, that the vast majority of customers did not want to use old hardware.
Especially if customers allowing shorter lifetimes allowed companies to lower the prices.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
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I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in general, and certainly not in this case. The affected TVs were all at least 20 years old - that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these. Nor is it clear what Sony could reasonably have done to repair them; even by 2010, a lot of the parts used in CRT TVs were out of production and unavailable.
> that's well beyond the expected useful lifespan of even a modern TV, let alone an older model like these A modern TV may have an expected lifespan of five years. TVs from several decades ago had lifespans of... several decades. Quality has plummeted in that market.
Only one metric of 'quality' has plummeted.
A rock lasts billions of years, but its quality as a TV is rather questionable.
Re: The capacitor that Apple soldered incorrectly at the factory
#20I wonder if there were any bootleg boards that copied the silkscreen mistake, but didn't use those 16V capacitors, and ended up catching fire.