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I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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post #5

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42234097

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I thought for sure you were going to link to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42226005 (Dear friend, you have built a Kubernetes; Nov 24, 2024; 267 comments)

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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post #3

So they made bad architecture decisions, blamed it on Kubernetes for some reason, and then decided to rebuild everything from scratch. Solid. The takeaway being what? Don't make bad decisions?

My personal takeaway, when it fails and you can't blame anyone for any reason, blame a tool.

You'll get the whole team helping you when replacing the tool and setting up a better solution.

If you blame anyone, people will start to be extra cautious and won't take any initiative.

But don't overuse it, if you always blame the tool, you'll end up like my ex colleague "Steve" where every failure was Microsoft's fault.

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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post #7

I've read this article now multiple times and I'm still not sure if this is just good satire or if it's real and they can burn money like crazy or some subtle ad for aws managed cloud services :)

Those kind of articles often read like an ad for managed cloud services. "We got rid of that complicated, complicated Kubernetes beast by cobbling together 20 bespoke managed services from provider X which is somehow so much easier".

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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When they pulled apart all those kubernetes clusters they probably found a single fat computer would run their entire workload.

“Hey, look under all that DevOps cloud infrastructure! There’s some business logic! It’s been squashed flat by the weight of all the containers and orchestration and serverless functions and observability and IAM.”

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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How to save 1M off your cloud infra? Start from a 2M bill.

That's how I see most of these projects. You create a massively expensive infra because webscale, then 3 years down the road you (or someone else) gets to rebuild it 10x cheaper. You get to write two blog posts, one for using $tech and one for migrating off $tech. A line in the cv and a promotion.

But kudos for them for managing to stop the snowball and actually reverting course. Most places wouldn't dare because of sunken costs.

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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Oh boy. Please, please stop using Medium for anything. I have lost count of how many potentially interesting or informative articles are published behind the Medium sign-in wall. At least for me, if you aren't publishing blog articles in public then what's the point of me trying to read them.

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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Why exactly did they have 47 clusters? One thing I noticed (maybe because I’m not at that scale) is that companies are running 1+ clusters per application. Isn’t the point of kubernetes that you can run your entire infra in a single cluster, and at most you’d need a second cluster for redundancy, and you can spread nodes across regions and AZs and even clouds?

I think the bottleneck is networking and how much crosstalk your control nodes can take, but that’s your architecture team’s job?

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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post #17

Oh boy. Please, please stop using Medium for anything. I have lost count of how many potentially interesting or informative articles are published behind the Medium sign-in wall. At least for me, if you aren't publishing blog articles in public then what's the point of me trying to read them.

I believe the blog poster has an option to toggle this. Maybe the default behaves like this?

Re: I Stopped Using Kubernetes. Our DevOps Team Is Happier Than Ever

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Why exactly did they have 47 clusters? One thing I noticed (maybe because I’m not at that scale) is that companies are running 1+ clusters per application. Isn’t the point of kubernetes that you can run your entire infra in a single cluster, and at most you’d need a second cluster for redundancy, and you can spread nodes across regions and AZs and even clouds? I think the bottleneck is networking and how much crossta…

Yeah, it's not very smart. I'm at a company with a $50B+ MC and we run prod on a cluster, staging on another one, then it's tooling clusters like dev spaces, ML, etc. I think in total we have 6 of 7 for ~1000 devs and thousands of nodes.

It makes sense that getting off k8s helped them if they were using it incorrectly.

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