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Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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His story is a cautionary tale about real life vs idealism. The two come into conflict frequently, and sometimes violently. Nothing is more difficult or dangerous than holding power to account; the mechanisms we imagine are in place to hold power accountable exist purely in that imagination. The personal feelings of shame, guilt, or ethical responsibility we imagine there to be, or the social pressure brought to bear…

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Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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This story really hits home for me. My dad was a physics teacher, and these complaints sound all too familiar—especially this part:

"I did what the University told me to do, and then these administrators ruined my life for it."

It’s frustrating how often dedicated educators are forced to navigate politics instead of focusing on teaching. The best educators are usually the least political, while those who thrive in politics often end up as administrators.

Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Previous submission link is dead, too. After two days.

It disappeared from HN front page within a couple of hours, even with over 150 points, and I couldn't find it again in first 5 pages before I gave up. HN ranking algo is really weird that way. You'd expect things to slide downwards, but they just teleport to page 10 or whatever.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42228759 spent 9 hours on HN's front page.

The reasons why posts drop in rank are explained at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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Related Marshall Brain has died (322 points, 2 days ago, 157 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42228759

Previous submission link is dead, too. After two days.

https://web.archive.org/web/20241124180243/https://www.wral....

Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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His story is a cautionary tale about real life vs idealism. The two come into conflict frequently, and sometimes violently. Nothing is more difficult or dangerous than holding power to account; the mechanisms we imagine are in place to hold power accountable exist purely in that imagination. The personal feelings of shame, guilt, or ethical responsibility we imagine there to be, or the social pressure brought to bear…

Yep. I often reflect on some of my career mistakes, especially when evaluating current decisions within the context of a job or interacting with other institutions, and what I wish I'd learnt earlier would be to "read a room".

Sure, there is technically a process for reporting wrongdoing, but there's no process for reporting wrongdoing and keeping your job, and keeping your job is more important. What isn't your job is taking moral stances on things, having political opinions, provoking what others might see as unnecessary conflict, in any form.

Sure, you could spend some time ensuring accessibility standards are being met, but really you shouldn't unless someone complains, because although you think it's good practice, you're being paid to put visible results on the screen, unless you can make a business case for it that's sufficiently compelling and rewarding that it's worth pursuing. You'll lose your job for not getting the thing shipped, but probably won't for it not being theoretically good enough, unless you're a real doctor or real engineer

Don't stick your neck out unless you control the outcome (for positive or negative), and figure out what you're really being told to do or asked to do, and keep your effort to that. Don't go above and beyond, it's out of scope and you're better off sleeping. Not joking. If you can't do that, you might struggle to stay employed, and it's not worth your personal risk.

At work, keep your opinions to yourself, nearly all the time, they're rarely important, just get the work done and go home, work isn't that important either, don't pretend like you're saving the world.

Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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I met Marshall a few times. He was a good teacher and someone who had a positive impact on several successive classes of students who wanted to start companies and build meaningful products + technologies on that campus.

And I trust (quite a bit) that whatever he brought to light should be followed up on - if no other reason than to respect his memory. I hope it is taken seriously and those who retaliated find themselves w/o their positions of responsibility and power over other faculty.

Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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His story is a cautionary tale about real life vs idealism. The two come into conflict frequently, and sometimes violently. Nothing is more difficult or dangerous than holding power to account; the mechanisms we imagine are in place to hold power accountable exist purely in that imagination. The personal feelings of shame, guilt, or ethical responsibility we imagine there to be, or the social pressure brought to bear…

I mean can you offer any suggestions as to solutions to get out of this situation? Feels intractable

Re: Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang do you normally edit w/o leaving history of it? feels like this is the first time i’ve noticed.
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