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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by saghm »

thunky wrote: post #328
infecto wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hyperbole. Most of the Tesla recalls that I can remember did not impact the safety of the vehicle.

Is there no difference between a software "recall" and a software update? I'm imagining (uneducated guess) that the software is updated more often than it is recalled, and so a "recall" is an update that addresses a safety issue.

Yeah, I think there's a significant difference between "Tesla decided to push a software update to their cars on their own" and "the government said the cars are unsafe, so Tesla was required to push a software update", and that's worth capturing in the language we use to describe those events.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by karlgkk »

justinclift wrote: post #208
karlgkk wrote: post #128

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Sure it's wrong, but it's actually to Tesla's benefit IMO Which of these would you, a Tesla stakeholder, prefer the news to report: - Tesla Cybertruck has recall - Tesla Cybertruck receives software update that resolves issue that put public safety at risk

That's really not clear? And for equivalence, the first would need to be: - Tesla Cybertruck has recall that resolves issue that put public safety at risk

No, I agree it's not really clear.

> And for equivalence

But that's the whole point of my post.

Because the term "recall" often technically means "issue that put public safety at risk". But would you want that spelled out every time if you were a marketer?

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by qwerpy »

austin-cheney wrote: post #402
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #357

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And the other side comes in and rabidly tries to bring down the cyber truck. You’re somewhat blind if you can’t see how ironic your statement is.

So, for me its about returned utility per dollar per life of product. Numerically, this seems a complete no brainer by possibly more than an order of magnitude. That is why I asked if this is just about a fashion statement, because my dollars and time perspective absolutely cannot understand why anybody would purchase a vehicle with possibly less utility for so much more money that costs so much more to maintain. I a…

I'll answer this in good faith if you're willing to listen!

Am a happy CT owner. I paid an amount that is in line with a "fully loaded F150" according to a google search. I consider the two vehicles fairly comparable both on price and on features at a very broad level, but of course different people value different things.

Why I like it: the looks, the performance, FSD, the covered/secured truck bed, convenience (no more gas stations or regular oil changes & tune-ups).

One benefit that I didn't even know when I bought it, is that if you get some hardware installed at your electrical panel, the truck can actually serve as a whole house battery backup. This was huge last week when the PNW had a windstorm that took out power to 500K houses. My family was able to stay at home, comfortable, well-fed, and entertained. Many of my friends and coworkers had to book far away, expensive hotels and throw away everything in their fridge/freezer.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by qwerpy »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #244
renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

> Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it Where do you live? In the bay area, I know a lot of Tesla owners, and 100% of them are absolutely sick of Elon's antics and are not considering another Tesla. (They also all are sick of the poor reliability and terrible service.) Seriously. This is a virtually universal opinion in my experience, but, I wonder if it's different depending on the political alignment of your ar…

(Anecdote alert)

Most of my Asian friends (mostly first-generation immigrants) have Teslas. Same with many Asians (East & South) at work. The politics don't even register, so the evaluation is purely based on utility. Based on that, they all seem to be satisfied.

Among the second-generation Asians there is more political awareness and it's more 50:50 whether they go for a Tesla or not.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Aeolun »

Topfi wrote: post #333
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #315

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Google "definition of product recall" First 2 answers in asq.org and wikipedia Recall is the act of officially summoning someone or something back to its place of origin. A product recall is defined as a request to return, exchange, or replace a product after a manufacturer or consumer watch group discovers defects that could hinder performance, harm consumers, or produce legal issues for the producers. and A product…

> Google "definition of product recall" I did, just to be safe, once again look up the legal definition of recall (both in regard to cars and other products) and continue to find that it was never written in a way that would make OTA not fit the term. It isn't limited to vehicles, but extends even to perishables for which a physical return directly to the manufacturer is not expected even using a more liberal interpr…

It’s not dishonest to not want to call something that is not a recall a recall.

You might note that while the definition presented doesn’t explicitly exclude over the air updates, it also didn’t explicitly include them. Very likely because it was written before they were a thing.

In my opinion this definition of the recall uses the original definition, and people are now saying that since an OTA update is not specifically precluded from being a recall under this definition, surely that must be part of the original meaning of the word (which the parent comments have already established is incorrect).

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by protocolture »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #55
protocolture wrote: post #24

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In a vacuum I would agree with you, but it fails in lots of predictable ways, and doesnt really offer any utility as a new design. And where they tried to engineer around these issues they often over engineered instead of removing the problem. I honestly like the way it looks, but I am happy I never preordered it or anything. The reviews are shocking. Even the positive reviews tend to hyperfocus on situations that ca…

> doesnt really offer any utility as a new design This is true of most automobile design. There are legitimate criticisms of Musk and Tesla. "I don't like how someone else's car looks" is not one of them.

>There are legitimate criticisms of Musk and Tesla. "I don't like how someone else's car looks" is not one of them.

I like how it looks. Its the everything else thats an issue.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by protocolture »

fastball wrote: post #83
protocolture wrote: post #24

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In a vacuum I would agree with you, but it fails in lots of predictable ways, and doesnt really offer any utility as a new design. And where they tried to engineer around these issues they often over engineered instead of removing the problem. I honestly like the way it looks, but I am happy I never preordered it or anything. The reviews are shocking. Even the positive reviews tend to hyperfocus on situations that ca…

> but it fails in lots of predictable ways, and doesnt really offer any utility as a new design In what ways has it failed predictably? There are a number of things that could contribute to various failures/recalls that relate to utility provided by the (novel) design. For example the steer-by-wire system or the mid-voltage (48 V DC) electrical system. The main example of "this is just dumb design for no reason" is t…

Well cars generally get wet. The stainless steel getting tarnished in the rain is a predictable failure, even if we assume some of the ones showing rust are overblown. Not even the only cosmetic failure, it seems like the panels dont ship well, which should be very foreseeable.

Needing a specialised Car Wash Mode to protect the interior. They very obviously saw the issue coming, did engineer around it. Any other car manufacturer would simply try and make the vehicle as watertight as possible in all scenarios.

Frunk causing injuries. (I would add the word "frunk" is also a fail state but thats subjective)

Theres hundreds of these, all you need to do is find a couple of cybertruck owners complaining without feeling the need to be defensive.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by [deleted] »

nobody9999 wrote: post #392
s1artibartfast wrote: post #385

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You might even say a majority.

>You might even say a majority. One might, but that would be incorrect. Trump received ~77,000,000 votes[0], which was 49.9% of the votes cast . As such, plurality is the appropriate term in this case. What's more, there were ~240,000,000 eligible voters and ~161,000,000 registered voters at the time of the 2024 election.[1] So the winner received less than a majority of votes cast by a small margin, and less so amon…

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by s1artibartfast »

nobody9999 wrote: post #392
s1artibartfast wrote: post #385

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You might even say a majority.

>You might even say a majority. One might, but that would be incorrect. Trump received ~77,000,000 votes[0], which was 49.9% of the votes cast . As such, plurality is the appropriate term in this case. What's more, there were ~240,000,000 eligible voters and ~161,000,000 registered voters at the time of the 2024 election.[1] So the winner received less than a majority of votes cast by a small margin, and less so amon…

Fair point, A plurality indeed.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Aeolun »

infecto wrote: post #334
thunky wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there no difference between a software "recall" and a software update? I'm imagining (uneducated guess) that the software is updated more often than it is recalled, and so a "recall" is an update that addresses a safety issue.

Specifically speaking on software and tesla most/all recalls are for items that no longer comply with a government rule. No argument, the rules should be followed but I do believe there is a shade of gray as a number of them are imo tail events. They should be fixed but I would not classify them as the car cannot be used because safety is an issue. "The Boombox function allows sounds to be played through an external…

Honestly, some of these read like “Three ton car can be driven into people if the steering wheel is applied in the wrong direction. Constitutes danger to public safety and cannot be used.”
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