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Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by nyokodo »

Nevermark wrote: post #54
keiferski wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have probably written this comment about a dozen times on HN already, but: I agree completely, because people don't listen to podcasts purely for information, they listen for information plus community, personality, or just a basic human connection. If you're a content creator today, the best thing you can do to "AI-proof" your work is to inject your personality into it as much as possible. Preferably your physical…

> The future of human content is being as human as possible. AI isn't going to replace that in our lifetimes, if ever. I have been working on machine learning algorithms for a long time. Since the time when telling someone I worked on AI was a conversation killer, even with technical people. AI's are going to understand people better than people understand people. That could be in five years, maybe - many things are…

> AI's are going to understand people better than people understand people.

Maybe, but very little of the “data” that humans use to build their understanding of humans is recorded and available. If it were it’s not obvious it would be economical to train on. If it were economical it’s not obvious that current techniques would actually work that well and by definition no future techniques are known to work yet. I’m not inclined to say it will never happen but there are a few reasons to predict it’ll prove to be significantly harder to build AI that gets out of the uncanny valley that it’s currently in.

Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by ben_w »

namaria wrote: post #134
AstralStorm wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which will make them completely worthless by dilution and not stand out. Oops.

Novelty grabs people's attention. A system based on the statistical analysis of past content won't do novelty. This seems like a very basic issue to me.

Novelty itself is easy, the hard part is the kind of novelty that is familiar enough to be engaging while also unusual enough to attract all the people bored by the mainstream.

Worse, as people attempt to automate novelty, they will be (and have been) repeatedly thwarted by the fact that the implicit patterns of the automation system themselves become patterns to be learned and recognised… which is why all modern popular music sounds so similar that this video got made 14 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

(This is already a thing with GenAI images made by people who just prompt-and-go, though artists using it as a tool can easily do much better).

But go too soon, be too novel, and you're in something like uncanny valley: When Saint-Saëns' Danse macabre was first performed, it was poorly received by violating then-current expectations, now it's considered a masterpiece.

Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by [deleted] »

sourcepluck wrote: post #40
vunderba wrote: post #5

Slightly tangential, but this is the reason I'm baffled why people think that AI-driven podcasts would ever be worth listening to. If you can find an LLM+TTS generated podcast with even a FRACTION of the infectious energy as something like Good Job Brain, Radio Lab, or Ask Me Another, then I'll eat my hat. I don't even own one. I'll drive to the nearest hat store, purchase the tallest stovetop hat that I can afford a…

Go back to the 1990s (even probably the 2000s?) and ask literally anyone what they think of the idea of people spending huge quantities of their time on this mortal plane watching videos of other people talking about how they do their make up and pick their outfits. Are those videos "worth watching"? Are videos of people playing video games "worth watching"? Are videos of people opening products and saying out loud t…

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Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by fragmede »

mjr00 wrote: post #20
tokioyoyo wrote: post #11

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I totally agree, but I also think it's just not geared towards us because of our age and preexisting beliefs of "what podcasts/news/videos are supposed to be". Think of kids around age It's the same as short-video format for me. Sure, I can watch some TikToks from time to time, but making them, or continuously getting my news from them? Yeah, that's not gonna fly for me. However, for my niblings (age 8-17) that's bas…

The younger generation loves short-form, to-the-point stuff. Which is the exact opposite of what the current crop of GenAI makes. In a tiktok video, every sentence, every word counts because there's a time limit. If people don't engage with your content in the first 3 seconds, it's worthless. The video linked in another post starts off with 15 seconds of complete fluff. You'd have better engagement if you have a guy…

> If people don't engage with your content in the first 3 seconds, it's worthless.

Is that based on a vigorous experience as a content creator on TikTok as a long form content creator or are you going off what you've heard about TikTok, or it's what your feed is full of? (which says more about you/your feed than it does about TikTok)

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYheCgBq/ 1.1 M views

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYhephfK/ 1.2 M views

or for some more niche stuff which isn't "BIIIG NEWS!! LABOR DAY BREAKFAST GOES HAYWIRE!!!" level of intro:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYheTVsh/ 54.6 k views

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYheE9m2/

36.3 k views

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYheoK2G/

416 k views

This voice-over definitely isn't going for attention grabbing

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYhe7qTT/ 16 k views

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYhdmJxq/ 64 k views

okay finally found something that's 5 mins long https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYhdAfNj/ 270 k views

Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by lagrange77 »

sourcepluck wrote: post #40
vunderba wrote: post #5

Slightly tangential, but this is the reason I'm baffled why people think that AI-driven podcasts would ever be worth listening to. If you can find an LLM+TTS generated podcast with even a FRACTION of the infectious energy as something like Good Job Brain, Radio Lab, or Ask Me Another, then I'll eat my hat. I don't even own one. I'll drive to the nearest hat store, purchase the tallest stovetop hat that I can afford a…

Go back to the 1990s (even probably the 2000s?) and ask literally anyone what they think of the idea of people spending huge quantities of their time on this mortal plane watching videos of other people talking about how they do their make up and pick their outfits. Are those videos "worth watching"? Are videos of people playing video games "worth watching"? Are videos of people opening products and saying out loud t…

> It's been a long time since "quality" and "success" have been decoupled.

I think so, too.

I guess quality was a property of interest in the old days, because the path e.g. for commercial music was: Maximize profit -> Maximize sales -> Maximize what the target audience likes -> Maximize quality.

For TikTok etc. they bypass the market sales stuff and replace it by an 'algorithm', that optimizes for retention, which is tightly coupled to ad revenue. I imagine the algorithm as a function of many arguments.

Just relying on quality is an inefficient approximation in contrast to that.

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Post by whtsthmttrmn »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #45
alternatex wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be terrified if anyone considers this reporting watchable. I felt depressed after 30 seconds. It's like an episode of Black Mirror.

> This is the first inning I think this is the key part.

But this could be a strange form of baseball that only has two innings. No one knows for sure either way.

Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

vunderba wrote: post #5

Slightly tangential, but this is the reason I'm baffled why people think that AI-driven podcasts would ever be worth listening to. If you can find an LLM+TTS generated podcast with even a FRACTION of the infectious energy as something like Good Job Brain, Radio Lab, or Ask Me Another, then I'll eat my hat. I don't even own one. I'll drive to the nearest hat store, purchase the tallest stovetop hat that I can afford a…

>I'm baffled why people think that AI-driven podcasts would ever be worth listening to

It doesn't take much to entertain a substantial population of imbeciles. Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI

Now for the hat...

Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by Nevermark »

nyokodo wrote: post #171
Nevermark wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The future of human content is being as human as possible. AI isn't going to replace that in our lifetimes, if ever. I have been working on machine learning algorithms for a long time. Since the time when telling someone I worked on AI was a conversation killer, even with technical people. AI's are going to understand people better than people understand people. That could be in five years, maybe - many things are…

> AI's are going to understand people better than people understand people. Maybe, but very little of the “data” that humans use to build their understanding of humans is recorded and available. If it were it’s not obvious it would be economical to train on. If it were economical it’s not obvious that current techniques would actually work that well and by definition no future techniques are known to work yet. I’m no…

You are describing the current state of AI as if it were a stable point.

AI today is far ahead of two years ago. Every year for many years before that, deep learning models broke benchmark after benchmark before that breakout.

There is no indication of any slow down. The complete reverse - we are seeing dramatic acceleration of an already fast moving field.

Both research and resources are pouring into major improvements in multi-modal learning and learning via other means than human data. Such as reinforcement learning, competitive learning, interacting with systems they need to understand via simulated environments and directly.

Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by [deleted] »

Nevermark wrote: post #54
keiferski wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have probably written this comment about a dozen times on HN already, but: I agree completely, because people don't listen to podcasts purely for information, they listen for information plus community, personality, or just a basic human connection. If you're a content creator today, the best thing you can do to "AI-proof" your work is to inject your personality into it as much as possible. Preferably your physical…

> The future of human content is being as human as possible. AI isn't going to replace that in our lifetimes, if ever. I have been working on machine learning algorithms for a long time. Since the time when telling someone I worked on AI was a conversation killer, even with technical people. AI's are going to understand people better than people understand people. That could be in five years, maybe - many things are…

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Re: The AI reporter that took my old job just got fired

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Post by Lerc »

vunderba wrote: post #5

Slightly tangential, but this is the reason I'm baffled why people think that AI-driven podcasts would ever be worth listening to. If you can find an LLM+TTS generated podcast with even a FRACTION of the infectious energy as something like Good Job Brain, Radio Lab, or Ask Me Another, then I'll eat my hat. I don't even own one. I'll drive to the nearest hat store, purchase the tallest stovetop hat that I can afford a…

I think it's quite easy for AI to surpass the median podcast. The bar is fairly low there.

I guess that matches the state of AI in general, better than a novice; worse than an expert.

We will have to wait and see what future AIs deliver. Insight and nuance is what I look for in media like that, that's a much harder nut to crack.

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