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Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

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Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#131

> YC startups don’t have to be unique. Far from it. Slow news day. YC has made it clear over the years it's almost all about the founders not the idea. It's almost impossible to know if an idea is good at the early stages, and ideas change, startups pivot, often the timing is wrong, and the market unproven etc. More often than not most of what startups do is not unique, otherwise there's no market for it. A new take…

"Don't have to be unique" is very different than "actively trying to copy".

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#132

> YC startups don’t have to be unique. Far from it. Slow news day. YC has made it clear over the years it's almost all about the founders not the idea. It's almost impossible to know if an idea is good at the early stages, and ideas change, startups pivot, often the timing is wrong, and the market unproven etc. More often than not most of what startups do is not unique, otherwise there's no market for it. A new take…

They have shifting and conflicting and nonsensical reasons for what they do. Just like PG lambasting someone as being too stupid to see when they asked why so many YC companies are things that should just be features on other software.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#133
It’s clear why this is good for YC, but it’s probably also not terrible for founders. I’ve heard of funds that avoid funding competitors passing in investments because they didn’t want to be locked out of other startups in the space. This removes the perverse incentive that the better your idea, the more scrutinized you might be as a founder.This also allows YC to be fund a lot more companies than otherwise.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#134
post #7

I think there's something missing from this analysis - YC companies might duplicate one another's products but that doesn't say anything at all about their target markets, route to market, product focus, etc. As an example, my first startup was a requirements management app that, on paper at least, was a copy of IBM DOORS. Except DOORS is a massive enterprise app targeted at companies who are building a new airplane…

Yes, I agree and would add other reasons. It's always seemed obvious to me that YC would invest in multiple startups working on the same problem space for these reasons:

First, compared to a traditional VC, YC is micro-investing in far more startups and doing so faster and more frequently.

Second, YC highly prioritizes founder/team quality over ideas but teams come to YC by pitching an idea. I just read an article yesterday citing evidence that in the last 10-15 years the diversity of startup ideas has declined significantly. This makes sense. Enormous amounts of information about what other very early stage startups are doing as well as which areas are currently being funded is readily available in near real-time. As a serial entrepreneur who did my first startup in the 80s, second in the 90s and third in the early 00s, I can attest we had nothing like this visibility in earlier eras. Ideas which are getting funded and which sound like good ideas in hot areas are obviously going to influence founder idea selection and cause clustering.

Third, YC knows that many startup teams will pivot away from their initial idea once they engage with real customers in real markets. So much so, YC considers it a sign of a smart team working well together. However, like all VCs, at any given time YC has broad sector themes it considers especially ripe for various reasons ranging from new technologies enabling disruption to expected high growth in an emerging sector.

Fourth, is the reason you identified. Having a good enough high-concept idea is necessary but far from sufficient for startup success. In addition to the execution details like go to market that you mentioned there's also timing. Even being 12 months earlier or later can make a difference toward making it. Finally, there's the luck factor. While it's true that quality teams are better able to maximize good luck when it happens and also have a tendency to increase their overall odds too, luck still matters. In my successes we had to get a lot of things right but there were also three or four serendipitous things that made a big difference at important moments. The only way for YC to solve for both the micro-timing and luck factors is betting on multiple similar startups around the same time.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#136

> YC startups don’t have to be unique. Far from it. Slow news day. YC has made it clear over the years it's almost all about the founders not the idea. It's almost impossible to know if an idea is good at the early stages, and ideas change, startups pivot, often the timing is wrong, and the market unproven etc. More often than not most of what startups do is not unique, otherwise there's no market for it. A new take…

HN has turned into an anti-billionaire, anti-VC, anti-success cesspool. It's a very dangerous echo chamber that'll destroy within

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#137
post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of how pelicans will raise two chicks and then kick the weakest of the two out of the nest and devote all future resources to foster the stronger of the two. YCombinator as convergent evolution, I guess.

> how pelicans will raise two chicks and then kick the weakest there is a youtube video ( pls don’t watch ) that gave me nightmares for days on end. i had completely forgotten about those pelicans and now you had to bring it up again in the comments. the little pelican had a broken leg. It was limping, so mom and brother together pushed it out of the nest. Very cruel.

Pelicans are brutal mindless beasts. They are known to fly to neighbour nests and eat other birds, sometimes other pelicans.

So similar to companies.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#139
We took our startup through Techstars in 2016. The next year they took a very similar company that ended up getting more funding and attention. We didn't understand it at first, but looking back it was definitely because they were the better team.

In the end, both teams failed to scale so it ended up being the wrong platform at the wrong time, but if one of them could have taken off then the bet they made would have paid off.

Re: Y Combinator often backs startups that duplicate other YC companies, data shows

#140

"Y Combinator seems to be the perfect place for mergers. Every winter for the past three winters, Y Combinator has funded a podcasting company. In winter 2017, Breaker. In winter 2018, The Podcast App. And in winter 2019, Brew." https://dan.bulwinkle.net/blog/there-should-be-more-mergers/

Any idea why mergers aren’t more common? The article doesn’t really seem to have an answer to that.

How much should one company with a 40mm valuation and no revenue pay for another company with a 25mm valuation and no revenue?
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