X + Y + [XY] = 8 X = the individual's contribution Y = the contribution of the system they work within [XY] = the interaction of the individual with the system 8 represents some measure of productivity, e.g., rate of errors, millions of dollars in profit, whatever you're measuring The person who can solve for X is competent to rate people on their performance. What to do instead of (destructively) rating people? Buil…
Hey, wait – is employee performance Gaussian distributed?
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#312"IQ is Gaussian" – it was pointed out somewhere, and only then became obvious to me, that IQ is not Gaussian. The distribution is manufactured. If you have 1000 possible IQ questions, you can ask a bunch of people those questions, and then pick out 100 questions that form a Gaussian distribution. This is how IQ tests are created. This is not unreasonable... if you picked out 100 super easy questions you wouldn't get…
How they’re actually made is a batch of questions thought to take some form of reasoning are curated, then ALL of those questions are used in the test. It is an empirical fact the percentages of decent sized groups of people will score a bell curve, in exactly the same way humans do on hard calc exams, on hard writing items, on chess problems, and across a bewildering amount of mental tasks, none of which are preselected and fidgeted with to fake a Gaussian.
A simple example: see how many simple arithmetic problems people can do in fixed time. What do you find? Gaussian. No need to fiddle with removing pesky problem. Do reading. Do repeat this sequence for length. Just about any single class of questions has the same bell curve output in human mental ability. The curve may bend based on some inherent difficulty, say addition versus calculus, but there will be a bell curve.
Now take plenty of types of questions to address various wobbles in people’s knowledge, upbringing, culture, etc, giving a host of bell curves per category (and those also correlated by individual). Then the sum of gaussians is gausdian. All IQ tests do is shift the mean score to be called 100 (normalized) and the std dev to match a preset amount of people so such tests can be compared over time.
And the empirical evidence is these curves do strongly correlate over time, so scaling a test to align with this underlying g factor is well founded.
This latter fact, that score on one form of intelligence seems to transfer well to others, forms the basis of modern intelligence research on the g factor. IQ tests correlate well with this g factor. And across all sorts of things the results are bell curves.
For anyone wanting to hear all this and a ton more, Lex Fridman has an excellent interview with a state of the art intelligence researcher at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hppbxV9C63g. The researcher goes into great depth on what researchers do know, how they know it, what they don’t know, and what has been proven wrong. This is all there.
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very interested point, this is a close corollary to the central limit theorem, no? Doesn't this assume a linear relationship between relevant alleles and the given trait though?
The missing assumptions are that the number of genes is large, independently distributed (i.e. no correlations among different genes), and identically distributed. And the whopper: that nurture has no impact. You can weaken some of those assumptions, but there are strong correlations amongst various genes, and between genes and nurture. And, one "nurture" variable is overwhelmingly correlated to many others: wealth.…
Wealth being distributed as Pareto would imply its effects on nuture are not Pareto since the effects of wealth are not proportional to wealth. At best there’s diminishing returns. Having 100x the wealth won’t give 100x intelligence, 100x the lifespan, etc. And once you realize this, it’s not far till the math yields another Gaussian.
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#314Well, the Gaussian distribution gives positive probability to any interval of the real line, including the whole real line (probability 1), so, strictly speaking, no.
But maybe the issue is a distribution with a bell curve or even with just a unique maximum and falling off monotonically from that maximum.
Well, then, in my college teaching, still no: Instead, commonly, roughly, there were three kinds of students: (1) understood the material at least reasonably well, (2) understood some of the material a little, and (3) should have just dropped the course but from me got by with a gentleman C. So, the distribution had a peak for each of (1) -- (3), three peaks, no Gaussian!
Approximate Gaussian is guaranteed, under meager assumptions, from the central limit theorem (CLT) of averaging random variables, the easiest case, independent, identically distributed (IID), and, more depending on how advanced the CLT proof is. A proof due to Lindeberg-Feller long was, maybe still is, regarded as the most powerful CLT.
Apparently ~100 years ago, especially in education, the CLT was commonly regarded as standard, true, without question, maybe some law of nature. Maybe some of the people measuring IQ, SAT scores, etc. also thought this about the Gaussian.
For me, I, in mathematical and applied probability, care first about finite expectation, conditional independence, independence, several convergence results (e.g., the martingale convergence theorem), then IID, and hardly at all, Gaussian.
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#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Unlimited” means there is no limit, so logically it means a few months should be fine. If a few months not fine, I think a reasonable request would be to define the limit and claim that instead of “unlimited”. I work at place with about 5 work weeks off, which is a lot for the US, and there’s never any question about whether you can use your time or not because the number of days is exactly specified. I like that be…
We have an actual unlimited unpaid time off policy. I have several colleagues who have taken 6+ months off (even repeatedly). Obviously I suspect that wouldn't be well-received within the "unlimited" paid leave at Netflix (but perhaps I'm wrong, I just can't imagine it).
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
My career experience has been that there's low correlation between TC and talent, especially at the high end of the talent spectrum. While I know some really smart people working at various FAANGS making great TC, nearly all of the people that are truly something special are grinding away on hard problems, relatively unknown, getting paid "fine" because they'd rather work on truly hard problems than make optimal amou…
You can apply a filter to top 10% talent and get a perfectly well supplied collection of driven, high output people who are motivated by high TC. It’s a subset, of course. And while visionary genius may not be motivated by TC, nobody said Netflix was looking to crack string theory. People don’t have to be passionate about their job to do really good work.
Even in your core logic here you're proving my point. It's not about being passionate about your job, it's about being passionate about your work, which for me and most of the people I've enjoyed working with the most only has a rough overlap with our jobs. It's a true privileged to work in an area with high paying jobs, but if tech completely crumbled I would remain working in the field so long as the work was relevant to what interests me, regardless of how little it paid.
Doing really good work, in the sense I'm talking about, has little to do with how good you are at your job. In fact, as your job pays more it increasingly requires a distracting loyalty to your employer and the "work" you do tends to increasingly become less interesting. There are very clear exceptions to this, but for the most part I've found it to be the case.
High TC speaks solely to an individuals ability to meet the needs of a high paying employer. I prefer to work with people who are working on something much larger than their job, so tend to work at weirder companies that pay less.
I guess it all comes down to what you define as "talent" (as that was the original point), personally I'm not interested in working with people whose primary talent is being a good employee.
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#317Like, is the system helping to maximize happiness distribution within humanity while maintaining biodiversity in its highest concomitant expectable dynamics?
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The second mistake they made is assume that companies would prioritize being lean and trimming the mediocre & bottom 5%. There are other considerations, combined productivity is more important than having individual superstars working on the shiniest features. I'll add a perverse incentive too that I've talked about elsewhere – hiring is a goddamn mess right now. If I trim the bottom 5% of my org (in my case, 2-3 e…
I think the value of low performers becomes much more obvious when you separate out the concept of a toxic employee. Toxic employees hurt the team or organization whether low performing or high performing, and with rare exceptions it’s almost always worth getting rid of them. Toxic employees are the people getting into arguments and conflicts all the time, dragging others down constantly. Or they’re the managers who…
Using a "isolate poor performers" and "excellent beings" has well known backfire consequences that history largely document.
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#319> Performance management, as practiced in many large corporations in 2024, is an outdated technology that is in need of an update Author made a couple of fundamental mistakes: the first is they assume employees are (or should be) paid according to how much they "individually" earned the company. Employers strive to pay employees the minimum they can bear, on employer's terms. Those terms are information asymmetry and…
That “infamous graph” is mostly pop nonsense. Simply google productivity graph versus income debunk economists. The problem is bad Econ like that latch onto certain untrained brains like quack cures to an antivaxxer, because they reinforce unfounded beliefs (beliefs formed by eating too much of stuff like this). The actual items under consideration are far less spectacular or supporting the dearth of conspiracies, so…
Re: Hey, wait – is employee performance Gaussian distributed?
#320> Performance management, as practiced in many large corporations in 2024, is an outdated technology that is in need of an update Author made a couple of fundamental mistakes: the first is they assume employees are (or should be) paid according to how much they "individually" earned the company. Employers strive to pay employees the minimum they can bear, on employer's terms. Those terms are information asymmetry and…
I have a crazy idea. If a corporation lays off any people in a particular job category/title, that corporation should not be allocated ANY H1B visas for that job category/title for the next year. If a corporation institutes any policy that requires decimation (or any other statistic-based termination program) of employees with a particular job category or title, or if IN EFFECT they perform this (because they will ju…