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A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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That's a reasonable basic overview. I'm surprised that rotating scanners are still used. It's been twenty years since Velodyne built their first one. They work OK, but cost too much. I was expecting flash LIDAR or MEMS mirrors to take over. Continental, the auto parts company, bought the leading flash LIDAR company over a decade ago, but the volume market a big parts company needs never appeared. Waymo is still using…

> They work OK, but cost too much. Costs have dropped dramatically in the past 20 years and continue to do so. > There needs to be a cheap, flush-mounted replacement for those things. Why? Corners are the optimal mounting position for maximum visibility. It allows the car to -in-effect- see around corners in ways no centrally mounted sensor can. > Waymo needs to solve that problem before they do New York. What? Becau…

I think it’s due to how often cars bump or scratch against each other in NYC (I.e. the sensors are in a vulnerable spot to be easily damaged).

It’s quite funny seeing the number of cars that have bumper skirts in NYC to help minimize damage from inevitable close encounters with other vehicles

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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LIDARs can be blinded by consumer grade laser pointers, I wonder if there are systems that protect LIDARs against adversarial attacks or DOS attacks

Drivers can also be blinded by consumer grade laser pointers.

If someone starts attacking safety systems physically I would expect they will get quite a bit of jail time.

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a recent No Priors podcast with the Waymo Co-CEO Dmitri Dolgov, he talks about how they evaluated just driving with cameras and how it isn't good enough for full autonomy and doesn't meet their bar for safety [1]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6RndtrwJKE&t=1119s

They went deep down the wrong path and need to justify their mistake. Waymo will be killed off any day now.

From person experience, the state of the art Tesla vision FSD still can't drive east at sunrise, west at sunset, or in moderate rain. I haven't seen any sign of them solving that fundamental problem with vision, especially given there are existing non-vision solutions.

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Here's an interesting "lidar gem" from Hacker News a few years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33554679 Lidar obstacle detection algorithm from a Git repo leaked onto Tor This is a drivable region mapping (obstacle detection) algorithm found in what appears to be a git repo leaked from an autonomous vehicle company in 2017. The repo was available through one or more Tor hidden services for several years. Th…

Which Tor hidden service was this? Asking for a friend...

If it was leaked in 2017, that's when Tor hidden service v2 URLs were still in use. Meaning the site is long gone and inaccessible these days.

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Fantastic tech that Musk hates

Musk has said several times Lidar is great. It's just a stupid idea for automotive use and he's not wrong. There's nothing similar in nature for a reason.

Nature makes for bad drivers. for some age groups cars are the largest causeof death. I self driving can do better.

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Is there a lidar unit I can take home and scan my house at high resolution (than iphone)?

I was wondering this too, although for a different use-case. A couple years ago I was walking through a field/vacant lot not far from Centralia, WA and I came across what I think is a grave. The (supposed) "grave" was roughly human-sized and human-shaped, the ground was concave, sunken in and deepest at the center, and it was encircled with stones that were slightly larger than grapefruit. The reason I suspect it's a…

I think Ground-penetrating radar (GPR) would be better usage for this grave scenario vs LIDAR.

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever seen the corners of a car that has been parked in a big East-coast city? They will sustain damage during the course of normal operation and storage, and many people will not stop and leave their insurance information, especially if the damage is perceived as minor and happens while the car is parked and the owner not present. Currently, the corners of a car are relatively non-critical to its function an…

Waymos sometimes stop briefly in parking spots while waiting for assignments, but they don't really park as such except in special lots. The big problem I have seen is they tend not to always pull to the curb when releasing passengers and if a door is left even slightly ajar then they will sit there requesting the door be closed even if they are blocking a lane with many cars behind them beeping.

Not having a motor and thus having to depend on people to close doors on an autonomous car seems very silly.

Re: A Short Introduction to Automotive Lidar Technology

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Fantastic tech that Musk hates

Because Musk thinks is much much smarter than he actually is and refuses to listen to anyone. And between how many people he fired at Twitter, Tesla, and soon the US Federal Government I think he gets off on it.
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