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Re: The size of BYD's factory

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You’re wrong. Read up on Chinese history. Violence and plunder and and slavery is human nature. Heck the emperor cut off the penises of his servants to prevent them from fucking his multiple wives. And how did an emperor exist in the first place? Through war and invasion.

no its a uniquely western nature, East came up with Budhism and Hinduism which teach peace, neither India or China ever invaded outside its borders, its a western thing to enslave not just a group but whole continents, not just even one continent but all of them. Who nuked first ? West, even Russian which is west's boogey man never threw nukes when it could have easily. Admitting your own faults is first step to reco…

>but any way, i concede defeat to you, go live your fulfilled life & leave the East alone. We don't need you.

Leave the east alone? Did you know I am eastern? I'm from Chinese ancestry.

>Inside their own territories we do have instances of mental nuts seizing power and doing violent things, so its just a few bad apples, but for the west its all of its citizens who are violent. if you are talking about history, look at your own.

Bro, north korea, the mongol horde, Japanese samurai and seppukku, the formation of China itself is a story of invasion and conquest. None of these are just a "few bad apples". Asian history is just as war like as all the other continents.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

#532

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> Sure, but this wasn’t secret information Of course it was! All information about the true state of the west was censored and controlled. Today North Korea does the same thing for the same reason. "Censorship in the Soviet Union was pervasive and strictly enforced": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union "Due to the appearance of foreign radio stations broadcasting in Russian territory and thei…

> Censorship in the Soviet Union was pervasive and strictly enforced Do you suppose Yeltsin didn't have access to the uncensored information before his visit? Or that Soviet spies who sent in hyper-accurate maps of US city infrastructure wouldn't be asked to report on the booming economic success of American retail?

> Do you suppose Yeltsin didn't have access to the uncensored information before his visit?

That was the case yes. I don't understand this insistence that he was faking anything. Why would he do that? The whole episode just made him and his delegation look stupid to the Americans, would not have been reported in the USSR itself, and he stated clearly that he was shocked by what he saw.

The way all far left regimes work whether the USSR, North Korea, Cuba or China is that due to pervasive censorship information can only flow top down, not organically as it does in societies with freedom of speech. But information is also progressively hidden and distorted as it gets passed up the chain from the underlings who discover it originally. The result is that people at the top aren't really more informed than people at the bottom. They think they are because they have access to secret reports, but they're being fed whatever they want to hear. This is why nobody trusts Chinese GDP numbers.

Yeltsin especially wouldn't have known anything. In the 1980s he wasn't the leader of the USSR, that was Gorbachev. Gorbachev did understand the weakness in abstract terms, but probably didn't realize the true extent of the differences for people on the ground. Yeltsin was a member of the nomenklatura in Moscow in charge of city construction projects, so high ranking but not high enough to be given foreign intelligence. Moreover just a year before his trip to Randalls (the supermarket) he was in a bitter fight with the party and had just been purged. The pressure was so intense he resigned from the Politburo - something nobody had ever done before - and then tried to kill himself.

But Yeltsin recovered and his criticism of the party was popular. In May 1989 he was elected to a seat on the Supreme Soviet, the fake Soviet parliament. He still didn't matter and still wouldn't have had any exemption from censorship, or access to sensitive foreign intelligence. He visited NASA in September 1989, just a few months later. At no point in his career up to that point would he have ever been trusted with sensitive information.

Leon Aron, quoting a Yeltsin associate, wrote in his 2000 biography, Yeltsin, A Revolutionary Life (St. Martin's Press): "For a long time, on the plane to Miami, he sat motionless, his head in his hands. 'What have they done to our poor people?' he said after a long silence." He added, "On his return to Moscow, Yeltsin would confess the pain he had felt after the Houston excursion: the 'pain for all of us, for our country so rich, so talented and so exhausted by incessant experiments'." He wrote that Mr. Yeltsin added, "I think we have committed a crime against our people by making their standard of living so incomparably lower than that of the Americans." An aide, Lev Sukhanov, was reported to have said that it was at that moment that "the last vestige of Bolshevism collapsed" inside his boss.[95]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin#CPSU_career

Re: The size of BYD's factory

#533

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What question is this? With a US minimum wage with China CoL you are rich.

Definitely not in the major cities, like Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, and Guangzhou.

$7.25 minimum wage per hour at fed level. 40 hour per week and 50 working week you have 14,500 USD, or 105K RMB roughly based on exchange rate today.

105K RMB yearly is close to or above average even in the above cities.

for some state the minimum wage can be $15 or higher, this is wayyyy better than China.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

#534

So much roof space, so little PV. I guess in China they don't do rooftop PV as much because the regulations allow for cheaper installations somewhere on a meadow?

China has more distributed/rooftop solar than the US, percentage-wise. It's hardly like every big building in the US has rooftop solar, and Zhengzhou is more to the north of the country where there is less incident light. That said a battery factory is a good place to put solar. The final stage of battery manufacturing is several priming charge/discharge cycles which build up resilient layers inside the battery. You…

I wonder if (partially) they use discharge current from one batch of batteries to charge the next?

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Toggle the layer to "Map" and you can find the railway lines easily, although train in the depot looks like a high speed train (huge, long windscreen).

All that track connected to the depot you are talking about is high speed passenger infrastructure. Just touching the south side of the factory is what looks like an old single track line if you follow it to the west there's a passing loop just the other side of the nearest village. If you switch to back and forth between map view and satellite view this eventually leads to a spur shown in map view that stops at a ro…

I'm uncertain what to look for, since there's this "land port" which refers to high speed passenger and freight trains being brought together.

https://english.henan.gov.cn/2024/07-02/3016355.html

Re: The size of BYD's factory

#536

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Why did you expect a foreigner who is not from China to realize that they'd be inhibited by the local authorities from doing work they were invited to do by those same local authorities? It's bizarre to think that it's bizarre that a foreigner might merely express some surprise by that.

Which would make sense if it was assumed there were only a few people in the entire bureaucracy… but doesn’t make sense when everyone involved knows, ahead of time, there are millions... Probably thousands even in some random small city. I’m guessing no one on the team had ever coordinated even a thousand people before on some complex legal issue. So it’s just bizarre to suddenly expect anyone capable of that would d…

Not all countries are like China.

Other places could have a helpful bureaucracy, or one that ignores the laws, or accepts bribes.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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It's great news in the sense that this new energy storage and EV production capacity is (part of) our best chance to avoid catastrophic outcomes from climate change. It's terrifying because we (in the West) can't seem to motivate ourselves to do anything like this on the same timescale, and nations that suffered similar disparities in industrial capacity (not to mention energy production) haven't done well in the pas…

Of course we can motivate ourselves. But they're acting like we did in the 1800s through the mid 1900s. They just build anywhere no matter what. They have no interest in dealing with environmental concerns. The officially released pollution levels in China are mind-boggling and they still do not represent how bad it really is. You think US manufacturers wouldn't be delighted to just buy a few hundred acres land and s…

> Now imagine what it's like to build a huge factory. It is nearly impossible to get permission, and inspections, endangered wildlife concerns, waste removal, etc. handled in under 5-10 years.

This explains why the Tesla gigafactory in Nevada (announced in Sept 2014) still isn't operational...

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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> The bafflement of his hosts is well recorded, as were his questions and his expressions as he explored the shop, This isn’t really evidence that it wasn’t staged by him though. That is, he doesn’t need to tell the host that he’s going to react strongly. He was a political operator, I’m sure he’d be happy to dupe some supermarket owner. > Soviet supermarkets were drastically more impoverished at that time. No compar…

Even if the information about our wealth was available; it was likely discounted and ignored; even North Korea can make charade supermarkets as necessary. There's a difference between hearing something and seeing it everywhere.

North Koreans watch smuggled South Korean videos. These show cars, shops and so on, and the northerners assume the videos are showing the best of South Korea, not normal life.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

#539

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People are waking up, and to be fair, Tesla really led the way in the US for the last few years because they had no choice(no one would take them seriously). The question is can the West turn the ship around before its too late?

IMO the US really needs to do some house cleaning before anything real gets done. You can't expect the hand to cut itself out. I'm not sure if Trump could do that, TBH. He didn't have a lot of support in Military-Intelligence.

too many people on the entire political spectrum think that the government exists to create/artificially protect jobs instead of doing government things

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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As has been pointed out, they sure did in the 70's when there was a huge financial incentive. I expect that acting like all American's want are $60K+ luxury cars is what is going to take the US auto industry into the next massive downward spiral.

I.m.o. consumer weight on safety has dramatically increased since the 70s. Frugality has decreased. Of course it is an arms race with all the other giant cars already on the road. Consequently GM etc. are trying to appease US consumers with giant EVs.

I agree. But there's a tipping point too (I think). Another depression and we'll no doubt tip over.
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