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Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by sangnoir »

mike_hearn wrote: post #462
bee_rider wrote: post #459

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> The bafflement of his hosts is well recorded, as were his questions and his expressions as he explored the shop, This isn’t really evidence that it wasn’t staged by him though. That is, he doesn’t need to tell the host that he’s going to react strongly. He was a political operator, I’m sure he’d be happy to dupe some supermarket owner. > Soviet supermarkets were drastically more impoverished at that time. No compar…

> Sure, but this wasn’t secret information Of course it was! All information about the true state of the west was censored and controlled. Today North Korea does the same thing for the same reason. "Censorship in the Soviet Union was pervasive and strictly enforced": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union "Due to the appearance of foreign radio stations broadcasting in Russian territory and thei…

> Censorship in the Soviet Union was pervasive and strictly enforced

Do you suppose Yeltsin didn't have access to the uncensored information before his visit? Or that Soviet spies who sent in hyper-accurate maps of US city infrastructure wouldn't be asked to report on the booming economic success of American retail?

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

themaninthedark wrote: post #463
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #139

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Their downfall was earlier than that. Post WW2 everyone was looking to buy a new car (people kept their old one during the war because production was going to the war effort). The car companies had such demand they moved to a 'car salesman' sales structure to milk every customer as much as possible because demand was so much higher than production. They got hooked on the easy money and entrenched a lot of bad busines…

Source for manufacturers making everyone go to dealers, wiki says the opposite. With the NADA lobbying to make it illegal for mfg to sell direct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_dealerships_in_the_United_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_dealership https://caredge.com/guides/how-did-car-dealerships-become-so...

Sorry for the confusions, but I didn't talk about dealers I talked about the 'car salesman' model.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by bdangubic »

znkynz wrote: post #251
bdangubic wrote: post #138

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it will take years before they can prove that their cars are made to last. I won’t be lining up to buy them but in 5-10 years perhaps

Mine comes with a 5 year warranty, and a 7 year battery replacement warranty. I'm fine with not waiting.

does it also say it is OK to wait 8 months for warranty replacement or 11 months for battery replacement? :)

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by adventured »

xtracto wrote: post #479
afh1 wrote: post #423

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Same here in Brazil. Even in the countryside.

I'm curious: Do Chinese cars have the stigma of being crap quality in other countries? Here in Mexico most anecdotes of people buying Chinese cars are that after less than a year something broke and they had to take it to the repair shop, where it stayed for a very long time due to a lack of pieces even by the manufacturer.

They have had that reputation for a long time and it persists. Assuming companies like BYD do things correctly, they'll come from the bottom up and improve quality as they go while working to keep their volume position. Pretty much all the major automakers should be terrified, as China is likely to have two or three juggernaut auto companies, they'll be permanently cash loaded by their gigantic domestic market, and they'll be able to use that to forever assault foreign markets (it's the same thing US tech companies do, using the US as the springboard to conquer the world).

We'll see this pattern repeat with high tier engineering products going forward. Airbus and Boeing will be brutally mauled by China in a similar fashion, as nearly all domestic China planes switch over to being exclusively Chinese planes for nationalistic reasons (it'll cut Airbus and Boeing in half at a minimum). And China will use that scale and capability gain to conquer other markets like India et al.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by robocat »

pg314 wrote: post #385
robocat wrote: post #147

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The paper suggests biking only 118 days per year. The car ownership costs are not "saved" - the projected savings are wrong. Ownership car costs are 0.167/km and savings by riding a bicycle are 0.349/km. Two ignored real costs of bicycling are lack of optionality (planning ahead for weather changes, locked into transport mode) and carrying capacity (groceries, children, sports equipment, etcetera). And I'd like to se…

> The paper suggests biking only 118 days per year. The car ownership costs are not "saved" - the projected savings are wrong. Were does it suggests that? The number 118 doesn't appear anywhere in that document. > Ownership car costs are 0.167/km and savings by riding a bicycle are 0.349/km. Where do you get these numbers from? > carrying capacity (groceries, children, sports equipment, etcetera) I do all grocery sho…

I'm really sorry, my comment was meant to respond to nehal3m (a link to a thesis), not your comment.

I understand that biking can work and there are people that benefit greatly. Having a cargo-bike suggests you are an outlier. I've used biking and bussing as my main mode of transport in the past.

I just prefer we are truthful and admit that it is expensive to put down a bike lane. The paper you linked mentions the expense.

That paper is strongly biased towards cycling - hardly a fair analysis. It notes the same argument as the other paper "Total costs of ownership for a bicycle range between 16 and 28 eurocents per kilometre, while an average passenger car costs easily 32 eurocents per kilometre. Bicycles can play a key role in inclusive mobility policies.".

Comparisons need to be between trips not per km since a bicycle usually cannot fully substitute for a car.

And it is just a true that cars play a key role in inclusive mobility policies; however they don't mention that eh. I had a disabled parent so I do see both sides.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by morgango »

Oarch wrote: post #352
luckylion wrote: post #177

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The wording is confusing, but I believe the Zhengzhou International Land Port is 50sqkm, not the factory. That also fits the numbers they're giving [1]: "Zhengzhou International Land Port Project announced ——total area of around 50 square kilometers", and that includes a lot of "open-air warehouse" (parking lot). It's still massive, but not quite as crazy. 1: https://www.zzhkgq.gov.cn/2024/01-28/2944537.html

Agreed, the factories clearly aren't the same size as Manhattan.

But as a comparison of scale, both the airports in Denver and Dallas-Fort Worth are larger than Manhattan (27 mi2 or 70 km2).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Fort_Worth_Internationa....

While that is a ton of activity (and empty space, if you have ever seen those airports), the Big Apple might not be the best reference for scale.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by digitalsurgeonz »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #429
digitalsurgeonz wrote: post #413

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You’re wrong. Read up on Chinese history. Violence and plunder and and slavery is human nature. Heck the emperor cut off the penises of his servants to prevent them from fucking his multiple wives. And how did an emperor exist in the first place? Through war and invasion.

no its a uniquely western nature, East came up with Budhism and Hinduism which teach peace, neither India or China ever invaded outside its borders, its a western thing to enslave not just a group but whole continents, not just even one continent but all of them. Who nuked first ? West, even Russian which is west's boogey man never threw nukes when it could have easily. Admitting your own faults is first step to recovery, but at this point it might be too late, we now have billions of videos of western violent acts which will be played to future humans for eternity.

Inside their own territories we do have instances of mental nuts seizing power and doing violent things, so its just a few bad apples, but for the west its all of its citizens who are violent. if you are talking about history, look at your own.

but any way, i concede defeat to you, go live your fulfilled life & leave the East alone. We don't need you.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by adventured »

Yeul wrote: post #315
ahartmetz wrote: post #242

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The doubts about the size of the investment in that Wikipedia article are funny. It's a bit like "We cannot afford to invest in education", but the Chinese are saying "We cannot afford not to invest in education" (Famous quotes, it's more about R&D here). China's leadership is probably terrified of falling into the middle-income trap. It might be the biggest issue on their minds right now. At least I am watching from…

Education has always been important in Chinese culture.

That's pretty blatantly false. Mao had a very large number of China's teachers executed during the 1960s, which set the entire nation back two generations in education (at least). The teachers - along with many other enlightened peoples - were murdered for being so called Capitalist intellectuals.

Pretending "always" for anything related to China, you can be sure their elaborate history will prove you wrong.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by digitalsurgeonz »

ebruchez wrote: post #477
digitalsurgeonz wrote: post #411

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>China will soon be more aggressive as any other empires. in its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders, and it achieved all this without invading or enslaving people. It will continue this way in future too :)

> it has never invaded outside its traditional borders Your notion of "traditional borders" is where this becomes nonsense. With a little bit of revisionist history you can justify all sorts of invasions, such as the 1959 invasion of Tibet, or the desire to retake Taiwan. In reality, China is an empire, with several of its regions very unhappy to part of it (Tibet, Xinjiang, and probably more if you could only ask it…

Only empire which exists right now is the western empire lead by US, its days are numbered, then when the propaganda curtain falls, it will be a shock. I had people of Xinjiang as my class mates, they laugh at your propaganda.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by alsodumb »

adventured wrote: post #484
xtracto wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious: Do Chinese cars have the stigma of being crap quality in other countries? Here in Mexico most anecdotes of people buying Chinese cars are that after less than a year something broke and they had to take it to the repair shop, where it stayed for a very long time due to a lack of pieces even by the manufacturer.

They have had that reputation for a long time and it persists. Assuming companies like BYD do things correctly, they'll come from the bottom up and improve quality as they go while working to keep their volume position. Pretty much all the major automakers should be terrified, as China is likely to have two or three juggernaut auto companies, they'll be permanently cash loaded by their gigantic domestic market, and t…

Other countries, maybe. But China is never gonna conquer or do reasonable business in India for geopolitical reasons.
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