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Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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It’s awesome but also worrying. Elon is a political timebomb. I wouldn’t put it past him to selectively deny people usage based on political alignment, sex etc. At least for now there are much worse geosynchronous competitors, but some future state where one doesn’t exist is worrying.

Wouldn’t put it past him? Can you offer even a single example?

2022, cut out crimea.

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post #358

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You…wouldn’t be bullish on the most successful businessman in the history of the world? Sometimes I come here for a good laugh

> most successful businessman in the history of the world You're ranking Musk above Jobs, Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Disney, Toyoda, Walton, and Buffett?

This characterization isn't entirely unreasonable. Isn't Musk objectively the richest businessperson ever in nominal dollars? Inflation-adjusted, I think only Rockefeller or Carnegie may come close, but the variety of businesses Musk has is impressive, and it appears he is just getting started with a long way to go.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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post #358

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You…wouldn’t be bullish on the most successful businessman in the history of the world? Sometimes I come here for a good laugh

> most successful businessman in the history of the world You're ranking Musk above Jobs, Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Disney, Toyoda, Walton, and Buffett?

Many people don't have any real understanding of how wealthy people have been in the past. The Walton family is a fun case. Split the fortune among the family and there are still billionaires in the mix.

Edit: should add that Elon is still valued at a good percentage of the US gdp. So, not unreasonable to say that is incomprehensible, as well. By that measure, is similar to Rockefeller, I think.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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I disagree. Starlink is indeed awesome and SpaceX deserves every bit of their success. But there will be competitors eventually, if for no other reason than foreign militaries sponsoring them. There's no inherent reason for this to be a winner takes all market. We can only hope the competitors are half as responsible as SpaceX has been about space debris risk and ensuring the satellites are not visible to the naked e…

IMO, one of the central problems is the cost of launching stuff into space. Today, SpaceX offers world leading low prices to launch satellites: $4 m / tonne[1]. But Starlink has access to launch at cost , which is $0.86 m / tonne[2]. Which is a huge advantage when launching an enormous number of satellites. One thing to keep in mind, especially for these LEO constellations: the lifetime of these satellites is 5-10 ye…

In the past this at-cost dealing would have been considered monopolistic enough to force divestment (ie, almost exactly the same as Boeing and United Airlines divestment due to the Air Mail Act).

> Air Mail Act of 1934: > This legislation prohibited the common ownership of airlines and aircraft manufacturers to prevent conflicts of interest and promote fair competition in the aviation industry.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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It’s awesome but also worrying. Elon is a political timebomb. I wouldn’t put it past him to selectively deny people usage based on political alignment, sex etc. At least for now there are much worse geosynchronous competitors, but some future state where one doesn’t exist is worrying.

Wouldn’t put it past him? Can you offer even a single example?

There are countless examples of Musk selectively banning people on Twitter based on political belief, such as this one [1]. And of course, he banned the @elonjet account, even after specifically saying he would not [2]. More specifically to StarLink, he banned Ukrainian forces from using them around Crimea [3].

[1] https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-suspends-journ...

[2] https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

[3] https://archive.is/jfdy4

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Game that out for us. How government innovation competes with a private sector launch company whose main differentiator is lower cost.

China is going to do it for sure. It doesn't have to be as efficient as SpaceX if it is massively subsidized for defense purposes. And China is pretty good at building things cheap. On the commercial side Blue Origin has been slow in starting but they are almost ready and will have relatively cheap launches. There are other up and coming private launch competitors too.

> On the commercial side Blue Origin has been slow in starting but they are almost ready and will have relatively cheap launches.

[citation needed]

Sure, New Glenn is designed to be a partially reusable rocket.

But it's far from clear that they'll even successfully launch on their debut, not to mention recover the booster.

And even when they've sorted all that out, word on the street is that the rocket was not designed to be inexpensively manufactured. It's not clear to me just now low reuse can help drive down their launch price.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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I was all excited and was thinking I should switch from ATT to T Mobile so I can access Starlink. Then I read it was for T Mobile for Business. You need 6 lines to qualify for T Mobile for Business? https://www.t-mobile.com/business/industry-solutions/connect...

AST Spacemobile has contracts with ATT and Verizon to do the same

so just wait

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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A quick glance at these comments indicates the majority are excited about Starlink. I must be in the minority. Is anyone else here on HN very unhappy with the prospect of having no place to escape internet access? I love the idea of no-rescue zones. https://www.pennstatelawreview.org/print-issues/hike-at-your... Not trying to change anyone's mind, just wondering if I'm a complete outlier.

Just because there's cell reception, doesn't mean they won't still have no-rescue zones.

What it would allow however is you to get in-touch with family to come get you should the need arise.

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