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Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by foxglacier »

nickdothutton wrote: post #53
edhelas wrote: post #25

All this to produce machines of 2T to displace 80kg of human on average (think about it, the battery weight more than what it actually need to move on average) and maintain/develop car dependency infrastructures. This is the worst way of improving our efficiency and progress toward a more optimized, efficient economy and reducing massively our climate and biodiversity impact. I want those kind of factories to produce…

Unfortunately the only places in the world that I know of building new cities are UAE, Saudi, Egypt, China. I don’t think any of those are building for car-less.

Saudi Arabia's "The Line" is car-free.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by Dalewyn »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #166
greenthrow wrote: post #144

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That is not remotely how tariffs work.

Doesn't a tariff drive up prices? (or at least intended for that)

Tariffs are a surcharge on imports added and demanded by the government, paid by the people or entities importing.

As an example, if an American buys a Chinese coffee maker priced at $100 and there is a 50% tariff, there is a $50 tariff that is paid by the importing American to the American government.

The total cost to the importing American is $150. Now, if this price is equal to or higher than an American coffee maker then the importing American is incentivized to purchase the American coffee maker instead.

As another example, if Tesla sells Model 3s for $50,000 and BYD comes in with a similar spec car priced at $25,000, then putting a 100% tariff on it will drive BYD's effective price up to $50,000 allowing Tesla to compete without undercutting or outright selling at a loss.

Essentially, tariffs are a way to ensure that the pricing floor of the domestic market is not driven down unreasonably by international markets at the cost of the importers.

EDIT: Fixed some math. :V

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by meiraleal »

zokier wrote: post #153

It's 2024, we can do better than blurry horribly blown out pictures these days. Check for example https://mapper.acme.com/?ll=34.39719,113.94792&z=15&t=SL&mar... for cleaner shot of the site (zoom in few notches for extra details). Google Maps annoyingly cuts half-way through the factory site. edit: that ACME mapper image looks to be from mid-2023, in more recent imagery the construction on the east side has been com…

The way Chinese towns are organized is incredible. I'm impressed by this map.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by mnau »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #205
mnau wrote: post #195

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60% coal, some baseload nuclear (5%), renewables (30%). They have massive dams (14% of electricity IIRC). Coal share is shrinking, a lot. Today, capacity factor of coal plants is below 50% (that's why you always see China builds coal plants... that stand idle) and their coal consumption has been more or less flat for a decade. The plan is to use coal plans when wind doesn't blow and sun doesn't shine. Natural gas is…

Out west coal drops a lot and green energy is more available. They are still limited by grid in getting green energy from west to east. They should probably be building more factories in the west, but I’m guessing water resources might limit that.

> They should probably be building more factories in the west, but I’m guessing water resources might limit that.

There are also other reasons. The name of western province is Xinjiang. They did have a plan to turn it into manufacturing hub, and it's one of the reasons why you see stuff you see.

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Post by meiraleal »

Dalewyn wrote: post #218
hackernewds wrote: post #156

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China scaling and efficiency is really something else. it seems they've latched on to something that works better than even democracy and capitalism

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> Basically, Chinese government wants a bigass factory and they will get a bigass factory because literally fuck you.

And what's the difference from the US government when it wants a bigass factory?

Isn't the difference that the US also wanted China to build bigass factories? They got too good at that.

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Post by jujube3 »

jimjimjim wrote: post #115
recursive wrote: post #69

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Who said net zero? Perfect is the enemy of good.

Comments like these need to be included in almost any discussion about transport or in fact any discussion about any change. Most people (or both sides) dismiss ideas because they are not 100% perfect. And ignore the fact that nothing can be perfect

If we only do a little bit, we'll only accomplish a little bit.

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meiraleal wrote: post #226
Dalewyn wrote: post #218

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> Basically, Chinese government wants a bigass factory and they will get a bigass factory because literally fuck you. And what's the difference from the US government when it wants a bigass factory? Isn't the difference that the US also wanted China to build bigass factories? They got too good at that.

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Post by meiraleal »

foxglacier wrote: post #217
pixelatedindex wrote: post #182

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> it seems they've latched on to something that works better than even democracy and capitalism Wouldn’t this just be plain old fashioned authoritarianism? America can latch on to this too, and we might based on how the Trump admin turns out.

No. One required component is plain old fashioned oversupply of labor. America doesn't have that because all employable people are too rich. China also has an oversupply of skilled labor like engineers, in part because the threat of poverty is a strong motivator to get rich. America also lacks that which you can see in capable young people doing arts degrees with no thought to their future income because it doesn't m…

There is an estimation of 11-30 million undocumented immigrants in the US. The biggest difference is that in the US they are working on fast food jobs, house cleaning, babysitting. Different priorities.
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