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Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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I always opt out of the scanner (even have a special shirt [1]), and without fail they always stand me by the intake (radio-leaky-end) of the baggage x-ray machine for 5+ minutes. [1]: https://www.davisr.me/projects/art/tsashirt.jpg

Just saw this one- love the guy's eye contact also. He knows how to stand up to fascist jerks. https://preview.redd.it/travel-safe-for-thanksgiving-v0-i3ja...

LOL I need to buy that shirt. I'm disabled and kinda dark so they're always "randomly" going for me.

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For this to work they must have already done facial recognition on everyone’s ID photos, so I fail to see what opting out even does for me from a privacy perspective. Seems like shutting the barn door after the horse is already out.

Sure, but I'm not going to help them by volunteering additional visual data. It's also political. I'm not participating.

And then letter is correct. I had a guy retaliate for declining. He said I was making his job harder and that he'd make my life harder in return. I'm still waiting. Surely, as a TSA employee, he's got lots of connections in government. A lot of these people are unstable.

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The last I was in San Francisco International the TSA staff came barreling out of their door and the first agent out yelled into the terminal, "MAN! I really hope someone opts out today! I can't wait to give that guy a serious patdown." They're trained to operate in an unethical way.

They're all threats until I walk up to them and actively volunteer. Then it's all "i swear i'm not gay i'm required to touch you near your groin." The amount of agents who act like that and then start to get shy when you smile and go through with a patdown is pretty comical.

I once had the unusual luck of being patted down by a young attractive trainee woman in sweden. They also made her to re-do it because she hadn't done it properly apparently (she had actually touched waaaaaay more than usual).

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When entering China, they take your fingerprints, iris, and I guess face too... I was there in 2019, at one point I was at an airport, and a screen was bragging, "Stand where the camera can see your face, and we'll tell you which way to your gate.". It worked too, the screen displayed my name, flight number and direction to my gate. And implicitly, "We can identify you wherever you are.".

I was in China a few years ago, didn't take fingerprints, iris, or face recognition. Just a routine passport check and that's it. I flew from Europe to Beijing, might be different if you fly from the US.

Wouldn’t it just be easier if they forced you to provide your TikTok account. They’d know everything they’d need to know about you. We’re so sure that CCP has access to that data anyways right? That’s the point of the forced sell legislation.

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I can’t believe it has gone this far. I was flying out of Logan airport (Boston) and had to have my face scanned right boarded the plane. There was nothing about opting out. It seemed like I didn’t comply, I wasn’t flying. I hate this. Feels so wrong and dystopian. They need to abolish this. It’s so unnecessary.

They're not going to put up a sign about opting out.

You have to say no.

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Facial recognition systems like this are used everywhere in china. Its common for gates in apartment buildings. Its just how things work there. It feel more malicious to pretend its not happening

The problem is that by this it becomes ever more difficult to get rid of an oppressive, dictatorial, unelected and violent Government.

For people unfamiliar with this topic, it is commonly referred to as "Turnkey Tyranny".

It is about the belief that you "don't give Mr Rogers any power you wouldn't give to Hitler." Basically no matter how great you think your current leader is, you recognize that they will not be in power forever (or that they may not be good forever). Democracy, autocracy, oligarchy, whatever your system of government, there is a singular truth: all men die. All things change. Obviously this policy can go too far, but personally I think it is worth considering not just how good a policy or power can be, but how much harm it can do if abused or misused. It is easy to ignore this part because we want to believe people are good and have good intentions. Because we see the advantages and get excited about them. Because it is harder to think about abstract scenarios. But it is an important thing to think. You need not think your government is evil or nefarious to still be concerned with turnkey tyranny. In fact, the more faith you have in your government, the more you should be concerned. Because it is at that time that people are less likely to keep their guards up, and it is that same time that hostile actors look to take over. There is no absolute defense against malicious leaders, so it takes constant care.

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I'll take facial recognition over long TSA lines any day. I can't wait until we have full-throughput non-blocking walk-through security.

Yeah but Senators can't bypass facial recognition the way they can evasive screening. Can't you think of their rights?

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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I was in China a few years ago, didn't take fingerprints, iris, or face recognition. Just a routine passport check and that's it. I flew from Europe to Beijing, might be different if you fly from the US.

Wouldn’t it just be easier if they forced you to provide your TikTok account. They’d know everything they’d need to know about you. We’re so sure that CCP has access to that data anyways right? That’s the point of the forced sell legislation.

You do know the US government also asks for your social media accounts when you apply for a Visa? https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Enhanced%20Vettin...

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Yet again we accept the premise that we need 'more' security so it is OK to do these types of things. This implies without evidence that there is a problem and then jumps right to the, again, unfounded conclusion that this type of thing will solve that hypothetical issue. The discussion shouldn't be about how to do this 'responsibly', implicitly admitting that there is some sort of need, and instead it should be abou…

Why would you think that is, i.e., why is it simply a given that these are ‘more secure’ and that it is needed?

This type of take almost looks like a virus.

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I was shocked to see this program arrive in my local airport. I opt out every time, but the horrifying thing is that almost everyone simply complies with whatever is asked of them. The TSA agents use phrasing that make it seem like you are supposed to go through the facial recognition process and don’t have a choice. Yes, there are tiny signs scattered around that say you can opt out. But when the officer says “step…

Generally speaking you present ID to pass through security. The facial recognition is based on the biometric data collected when you got your ID, the ID you presented to pass through security. The ID with your name, address, date of birth, and uniquely identifying number on it. The ID which is associated with your boarding pass. The ID they scan (or they scan the boarding pass which is associated with your ID) prior…

If it doesn’t change anything, why is it needed then? And I don’t think it is faster than a human matching the ID card against a person at all.
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