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Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by Retric »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #107
Retric wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sailors can make calls using the ships Wi-Fi via full sized Starlink dishes, they need coverage on land. But even ignoring that the contention is low in the middle of the ocean and satellites have hardware either way, driving down the market rate for calls at sea.

The setup cost for Starlink on a boat is still massively higher than on land.

250$/month gets you 50GB/month on the open ocean and unlimited on waterways, higher demand is cheaper per GB ex: 1TB for 1,000$/month. https://www.starlink.com/boats

Calls are ~0.75 MB/minute allowing a 24/7 conversion for for a full month for 250$, or more realistically mostly sending other kinds of data and a sub cent per minute opportunity cost for using that data on calls. The actual hardware installation is relatively trivial compared to operating a boat.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by dasv »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #107
Retric wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sailors can make calls using the ships Wi-Fi via full sized Starlink dishes, they need coverage on land. But even ignoring that the contention is low in the middle of the ocean and satellites have hardware either way, driving down the market rate for calls at sea.

The setup cost for Starlink on a boat is still massively higher than on land.

Yes, but compared to the setup for equivalent satellite services it is very cheap. The Inmarsat antennas need active compensation and they sit inside big radomes, while the Starlink antennas are smaller and do not need to move thanks to being phased arrays.

The bandwidth, latency and stability that Starlink has is also leagues better than geosynch based solutions, for a much lower monthly price.

Even without considering the better performance, the price makes it viable now to have a internet connections in places it did not make financial sense before.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by [deleted] »

cj wrote: post #38

> ENGINEERED BY SPACEX It would be very interesting to see some kind of diagram depicting all of the corporate entities Musk is involved in and how each entity does business with one another. xAI just raised billions to help Tesla build out FSD (or at least that was part of the pitch). His empire is divided into so many corporate entities, but they all cross-pollinate and are clearly under his direct control for the…

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Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by numpad0 »

cj wrote: post #38

> ENGINEERED BY SPACEX It would be very interesting to see some kind of diagram depicting all of the corporate entities Musk is involved in and how each entity does business with one another. xAI just raised billions to help Tesla build out FSD (or at least that was part of the pitch). His empire is divided into so many corporate entities, but they all cross-pollinate and are clearly under his direct control for the…

You're describing a corporate conglomerate, in style of pre-modern to early industrialization era.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by kelnos »

charliebwrites wrote: post #6

I wish I could pay Starlink directly and have global satellite based LTE instead of having to go through a specific carrier and be limited by other carriers’ reciprocity to specific countries and bands One space based cell plan for the whole world

I see where you're coming from, but I prefer to have the relationship with a single entity (my cellular carrier) and get access to both. Simpler to deal with.

Agreed on the potential complication if/when I'm in another country, but, well, everything can't be simple...

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by Retric »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #115
Retric wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not going to work inside buildings, and they would need to charge you a fairly astronomical fee per minute. However, a Starlink mini dish can let you cheaply make calls from basically anywhere with some minor setup.

Could Starlink receivers not act as a mesh like network and broadcast LTE themselves, gaining inside coverage.

Starlink is used in low density areas. You could setup LTE towers at a remote mine and use Starlink for the back haul, but for their customers using WiFi calling gives the same benefit without extra hardware.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by dullcrisp »

briandear wrote: post #131
elAhmo wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The board at Tesla is basically Elon’s buddies. There is no oversight or independence there, they do what he wants. If law was applied equality to billionaires as it does to regular people, he would be in jail for fraud.

If shareholders are happy, what business is it of yours? If they aren’t happy, they can sell the shares.

SEC destroyed

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by elAhmo »

briandear wrote: post #131
elAhmo wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The board at Tesla is basically Elon’s buddies. There is no oversight or independence there, they do what he wants. If law was applied equality to billionaires as it does to regular people, he would be in jail for fraud.

If shareholders are happy, what business is it of yours? If they aren’t happy, they can sell the shares.

Following the law should be above the shareholder gain. Mentality like yours is what got us in this situation where people are blatantly abusing the government for personal gain.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by moffkalast »

christophilus wrote: post #24
Retric wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not going to work inside buildings, and they would need to charge you a fairly astronomical fee per minute. However, a Starlink mini dish can let you cheaply make calls from basically anywhere with some minor setup.

> astronomical fee

Well it's n̵o̵t̵ rocket science.

Re: Starlink Direct to Cell

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Post by User23 »

Retric wrote: post #16
charliebwrites wrote: post #6

I wish I could pay Starlink directly and have global satellite based LTE instead of having to go through a specific carrier and be limited by other carriers’ reciprocity to specific countries and bands One space based cell plan for the whole world

It’s not going to work inside buildings, and they would need to charge you a fairly astronomical fee per minute. However, a Starlink mini dish can let you cheaply make calls from basically anywhere with some minor setup.

My 5g doesn't work inside of many buildings.
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