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Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by poniko »

Teever wrote: post #37
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs on the battlefield are as of yet untested. That makes the BYD factory at best possible dual use. A bad target for Taiwan and its allies for a host of reasons.

Drones seem to be quite an important facet of the current war in Ukraine and Russia. I wonder how fast this factory could be converted produce drones and how fast it could spit them out. Imagine a circular loop of larger carrier aircraft that load up FPV drones from this factory and fly to their destination to drop them off only to fly back to do it again. The FPV drones could have object recognition to target people…

DJI is already the worlds largest drone maker, better to let them continue then rebuild a car factory.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by saturn8601 »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #19

US/German manufacturers just do assembly, they don't manufacture parts, so they only need assembly plants. BYD is a vertically integrated manufacturer. They make everything in-house which helps drive down costs. This huge footprint results in having all those different manufacturing lines under one roof. They depend on no one for finished parts, the only supply chain is raw materials.

People are waking up, and to be fair, Tesla really led the way in the US for the last few years because they had no choice(no one would take them seriously). The question is can the West turn the ship around before its too late?

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by nickdothutton »

edhelas wrote: post #25

All this to produce machines of 2T to displace 80kg of human on average (think about it, the battery weight more than what it actually need to move on average) and maintain/develop car dependency infrastructures. This is the worst way of improving our efficiency and progress toward a more optimized, efficient economy and reducing massively our climate and biodiversity impact. I want those kind of factories to produce…

Unfortunately the only places in the world that I know of building new cities are UAE, Saudi, Egypt, China. I don’t think any of those are building for car-less.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

wbl wrote: post #32
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the worst way of improving our efficiency and progress toward a more optimized, efficient economy The worst except the others. Like sure, retooling our metropolises might be nice. But it’s also not only expensive but incredibly carbon intensive, to say nothing of not wanted by most of the world.

It's not that expensive to put down a bike lane.

> not that expensive to put down a bike lane

Scale-wise insufficient. We aren’t going to get to net zero with bike lanes.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by passwordoops »

makotech221 wrote: post #11
passwordoops wrote: post #4

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https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/china-has-more-than-... For reference, England consumed 1 billion tons of coal during it's peak coal consumption decade . So please stop with the "China is decarbonizing" crap, because they are not. A more accurate statement is "China understands the importance of energy and is applying an as-much-of-everything-approach to achieve its industrial goals"

cool now compare the population difference. In order to build renewable infrastructure, you do need to expend a lot of energy: mining, processing, transporting. China is using coal to build up that infrastructure and converting that dirty energy into clean.

So when GHG absorbs energy from the sun, it's on a per capita basis?

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by sbierwagen »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #19

US/German manufacturers just do assembly, they don't manufacture parts, so they only need assembly plants. BYD is a vertically integrated manufacturer. They make everything in-house which helps drive down costs. This huge footprint results in having all those different manufacturing lines under one roof. They depend on no one for finished parts, the only supply chain is raw materials.

Not entirely correct. Boeing, despite all the bad press, actually reversed course on this recently. 787's wing was made by a supplier, but 777X's wing is actually built in-house, right next to the main factory, starting from carbon fiber fabric.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by tame3902 »

kzrdude wrote: post #10
perihelions wrote: post #8

Is there a list of the world's largest factories, in a liberal sense of the word? The ones I'm aware of only consider individual structures [0], which excludes industrial plants that span multiple buildings, like this one. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_buildings

One of the old classics in this genre of largest factories, BASF, https://www.basf.com/jp/en/who-we-are/organization/locations...

Volkswagen's main factory is also pretty large: "Spanning more than 6.5 km², the Volkswagen factory in Wolfsburg is now the largest automotive plant in Europe, employing more than 60,000 people."[0]

[0]: https://www.volkswagen.de/de/marke-und-erlebnis/volkswagen-e...

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by Teever »

malermeister wrote: post #50
Teever wrote: post #40

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Where do you think the Chinese will build the factories that spit out drones en masse to invade their neighbours?

Why do you think the Chinese will invade their neighbors?

Because that's what authoritarians invariably do.

They abhor liberal democracies and seek to extend their domineering control over as many people as they can.

The CCP is an absolutely tyrannical organization that denies their own citizens the rights that you and I take for granted. Why would they ever desire their neighbours to have what they deny their own people?

Look no further than Hong Kong and North Korea to see what China wants for their neighbours.

South Korea only exists as it does today because Western forces repelled Chinese supported North Koreans from conquering it.

Japan only exists today because of American rebuilding after the destruction of Imperial Japan during World War 2.

Taiwan only exists as it is today because of American support.

China would have subjugated these entities and destroyed any chance of prosperity and independence that they had if not for the efforts of people who believe in individual autonomy and liberal democratic values.

China only has the power that they do to day because of authoritarians in the west who tricked the world into thinking that globalism means that we should engage in trade with undemocratic societies.

Because that's what authoritarians invariably do.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by tsimionescu »

UltraSane wrote: post #48
tsimionescu wrote: post #18

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Relative numbers are what matters realistically when comparing countries. The comfort and buying power of 1.4 billion Chinese people counts as much as that of all of the citizens of the EU and USA together. It is not in any way moral or acceptable to imagine that China or India should have lower total emissions than the EU or the USA, despite having many, many more citizens. And this is not even discussing total hist…

I know it isn't fair. Life isn't fair and neither is climate change.

It's not about fairness. It's about the fact that countries which have huge emissions per capita can't rest on their laurels if they have relatively low total emissions. Instead, they need to take an active role in reducing emissions - both their own, and those of people in the developing world. If Germany or the UK or Norway or France (not to mention Canada or the USA) want to reduce emissions more but can't realistically reduce theirs as much, then they need to, for example, start donating green energy solutions for developing countries, to allow them to grow their economies and comfort while keeping their own CO2 emissions lower.

What these countries can't do is start pointing fingers at others and claim that people in India say, who emit 2T CO2 per capita, are the real problem compared to their 14-7.

Re: The size of BYD's factory

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Teever wrote: post #40
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Zhengzhou doesn’t seem like where you’d put a factory you want to protect from the combined forces of Japan, Korea and America.

Where do you think the Chinese will build the factories that spit out drones en masse to invade their neighbours?

> Where do you think the Chinese will build the factories that spit out drones en masse to invade their neighbours?

Where they're currently building drones.

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