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Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#22There has to be extra context here. There is no way we’re getting the full picture. If it really is just as simple as including “question” in the title of a paper then there is some serious mismanagement occurring.
Those were my thoughts exactly - though it is 2024, and I have a sinking feeling it could be just as the article states.
The article clearly has gaps simply by not being an hour long read on the Atlantic, one obvious gap is that it doesn't seem to have a statement from the person removed after they were removed.
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#23While the title could indeed be a reference to the 4chan "The xxx question" meme (e.g., "The femboy question"), which is derived from "The Jewish question," it's not clear if that was the author's actual intention, and even if it was, most uses of the meme (see the femboy example) are not facially antisemitic and at worst are just examples of edgelord humor. It looks like C++ is finally succumbing to entryism, meanin…
It is literally the first time I heard the "femboy question" phrase. You can literally insert any noun here and have the phrase used already. Whatever, a "bear" let's say:
https://www.ywcamv.org/blog-newsroom/blog/2023/12/13/ywca-mv... (And this is from a reputable organization, not an individual.)
The fact that people associate such unrelated phrases with one another on the basis of their grammatical similarity just speaks of them, not of the author.
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
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> jump into wild nonsense conspiracy theory or extreme bigotry.
Did they? The commenter was referring to "Simple Sabotage Field Manual", by the CIA. It's a very commonly cited list of actions to take, or that someone would take, to impede the effectiveness of an organization.
The commenter was not saying "CIA did it, and birds aren't real".
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#25Sigh.
About 20 years ago, I suggested in comp.language.c++ on USENET that the committee's refusal to take memory safety seriously constituted material support of terrorism. That really got some people upset, and the posting was removed from USENET, which is hard to do.
Now, of course, C++ is frantically trying to become memory-safe, with heavy pressure from the cybersecurity parts of the US government.
Has anybody even read Marx's 1844 essay in recent years? When the USSR went down, the Stanford bookstore had a sale - "All Communism 80% off".
The 19th century was "The age of questions"[1], a book subtitled "Or, A First Attempt at an Aggregate History of the Eastern, Social, Woman, American, Jewish, Polish, Bullion, Tuberculosis, and Many Other Questions over the Nineteenth Century, and Beyond".
The Schleswig-Holstein question [2] was a border dispute between Denmark and Germany, and was a big deal from about 1806 to WWI. That's probably the most famous of the "questions" because there were several wars over it over a long period.
"On the slavery question" is a famous speech by Sen. John Calhoun (D-SC) made in 1850.[3] That's part of the run-up to the American Civil War. (Or the War of Northern Aggression, for those below the Mason-Dixon line.)
"On the bullion question" is a famous speech by Sir John Sinclair made in 1811.[4] It's about the gold standard for money.
Nobody has a unique claim for "On the (whatever) Question". It's historical, but once widely used, terminology.
[1] https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.23943/978140089021...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig%E2%80%93Holstein_que...
[3] https://www.milestonedocuments.com/images/content/handouts/J...
[4] https://archive.org/details/sirjohnsinclairs00sinciala/page/...
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. > And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your p…
> Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then Yes, it's interesting that someone opted to use an alternate account to discuss a contentious issue on a platform rife with censorship and deplatforming.
Why does it so often seem that the people complaining about censorship are the ones punching down?
Why is it so often someone's right to complain and make problems for others but never concern about people's right to be tolerated when they're being decent humans?
Either people need to be banned who insult others and use slurs and those who maliciously push right up against the rules, or they will bully people out. Look at modern X/Twitter allowing hate speech has pushed out advertisers and something like half of the users?
This is basic Paradox of Tolerance stuff, decent people aren't Banning anyone for pointing out actual arguments like discussing if "question" is okay, asking for extra context if this guy did something else or if this is council overreach. But people complaining about wokeness, DEI, diversity hires, or other technically allowable but obviously hostile nonsense are clearly just trying to attack other people and often in ways that are racist dog whistles. If people insist on being hostile up to the amount allowable by the rules instead of just trying to get along then the rules need to keep changing and adjusting and of course the people who are willfully choosing to be assholes will scream "censorship". Before teaming up with someone complaining about censorship be sure they're actually at risk of censorship and not just trying to use Free Speech as a shield to hurt others.
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co...
> I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. > And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your p…
> Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then.
This is not "interesting", this is common sense.
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#28While the title could indeed be a reference to the 4chan "The xxx question" meme (e.g., "The femboy question"), which is derived from "The Jewish question," it's not clear if that was the author's actual intention, and even if it was, most uses of the meme (see the femboy example) are not facially antisemitic and at worst are just examples of edgelord humor. It looks like C++ is finally succumbing to entryism, meanin…
> it's not clear if that was the author's actual intention
The paper[1] doesn't appear to have any other connections to the book/response/memes. A clear distinction is that the UB paper very directly and prominently states the question, rather than cloaking it in allusion or having a lengthy preface trying to contextualize it.
[1] https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2024/p34...
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#29and r/cpp mods just woke up, banning everyone who question (am I still allowed to use that word?) this lunatic behavior. For context: A week ago, someone out for blood put out a slander article referencing this amongst other things. edit: After going on a banning spree, foonathan nuked the thread with "I am not going to deal with this on a Sunday". Nice
I’m not sure complaining on HN about being banned from a subreddit makes much sense.
I think it's important context that this huge issue is being silenced on the largest c++ community
Re: C++ Standards Contributor Expelled for 'The Undefined Behavior Question'
#30and r/cpp mods just woke up, banning everyone who question (am I still allowed to use that word?) this lunatic behavior. For context: A week ago, someone out for blood put out a slander article referencing this amongst other things. edit: After going on a banning spree, foonathan nuked the thread with "I am not going to deal with this on a Sunday". Nice
You were clearly banned for the comment where you used offensive slurs in reference to the author of a previously discussed blog post. I was happy to report the comment.