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Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by pooriaazimi »

FireBeyond wrote: post #32
bluthru wrote: post #20

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Over 200 new features and plenty of behind-the-scenes refinements, all for $20 and 12 months after Lion. Sounds like they're firing on all cylinders in Cupertino. http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html

Beg to differ / disagree. I'd say there's a lot less than 200 features, most are "refinements". I mean, really, is "Date Picker in Calendar now has a mini Calendar" is a "new feature"? A new widget on a control?

These are user features. Snow leopard and mountain lion (as their names might suggest) are all about under the hood refinements. Snow leopard was ten times better than leopard, but the most striking new user feature was scrollable stacks (in Dock)! So, don't judge ML too harshly. I used dev versions and they were rock solid (more stable than anything before 10.6.4 or 10.7.1).

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by DeepDuh »

paupino_masano wrote: post #27
DeepDuh wrote: post #17

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One question about messages: Does it only work with iMessages or does it actually integrate my SMS when the iPhone is in the same network?

It only works with iMessages. You're right though: SMS functionality (somehow) would be pretty awesome.

Not only awesome, it's the only reason why I would want to use this. Lets say I hear my iPhone buzzing in my backpack. I know I have my iMessages synched to my mac. Now the guessing game begins - should I pick the iPhone or wait until it has been synched? How long should I wait? Nevermind, what was I doing right now?

Absolutely useless, unless you have started some kind of Apple religion and all your contacts have iPhones.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by sneak »

rangibaby wrote: post #44
sneak wrote: post #35

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Check your hardware. xnu is incredibly stable. It may also be a 1.0 driver, considering what you're running it on. You _are_ on the absolute cutting edge of the universe right now, GPU-wise, after all. Lion itself is rock solid.

Agreed. The only KPs I've gotten since at least ~Snow Leopard have been hardware-related. Off to the Genius Bar!

First, boot holding D. This will boot a special firmware-based hardware tester (or one downloaded from Apple on latest hardware) that will test all aspects of your system.

It's the first thing the Genius Bar will do.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by sneak »

greedo wrote: post #45

I was looking forward to ML until I read the supported hardware and found that my 2006 Mac Pro won't be supported. This has happened in the past with other Macs, but this is the first time it has bit me. My Pro is perfect for me, I have it maxed at 32 GB of memory, dual optical drives, and 4TB of local disk. Quad 2.66GHz cores is more than enough for me. I understand that things like display Airplay mirroring depend…

Agreed, that is bullshit. That system is more than capable.

Apple shouldn't penalize anyone in software for paying a small price premium for their ultra-reliable hardware.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by sneak »

paupino_masano wrote: post #27
DeepDuh wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One question about messages: Does it only work with iMessages or does it actually integrate my SMS when the iPhone is in the same network?

It only works with iMessages. You're right though: SMS functionality (somehow) would be pretty awesome.

It's been announced for iOS 6 that you can register your phone number under your Apple ID so that phone-number iMessages will appear on your Macs and iPads.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by mkaltenecker »

tensor wrote: post #61
mkaltenecker wrote: post #50

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Skeumorphism is purely about looks. If it impacts functionality it’s more than that. If it’s only looks it doesn’t matter and is only about taste.

You cannot just change the definition of a word to suite your argument. Most people consider skeuomorphic design to include both looks and behaviour. Regardless, what I've described is all looks. Address Book still has grouping functionality . It's just been made extremely difficult to use because of the design of the interface. Further, looks are about much more than just taste. Designs affect how easy it is to unde…

Ok, then I won’t.

Skeumorphism that doesn’t affect functionality is purely about taste. Anything beyond that is bad. End of the story.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by pooriaazimi »

sneak wrote: post #34
mkaltenecker wrote: post #31

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Uhm, Podcasts App? Lion?

I love both. They're incredibly polished, work fantastically, and were crafted with very fine attention to detail. Perhaps you don't like the details they focused on, fine, but if you think these are crap software, you don't know actual crap software. I encourage you to buy a cheap consumer embedded NAS to learn.

Podcasts is so buggy and slow on my iPhone 4 that it's literally unusable. The animations are about 7 frames per second.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by bugmenot »

greedo wrote: post #45

I was looking forward to ML until I read the supported hardware and found that my 2006 Mac Pro won't be supported. This has happened in the past with other Macs, but this is the first time it has bit me. My Pro is perfect for me, I have it maxed at 32 GB of memory, dual optical drives, and 4TB of local disk. Quad 2.66GHz cores is more than enough for me. I understand that things like display Airplay mirroring depend…

Here! http://osxdaily.com/2012/02/18/install-os-x-mountain-lion-de...

While my Macbook does run ML, I know how you feel, even more so as your machine has better specs than mine. I also get the feeling Lion is a bit slower than SL for the small things, like opening apps. I know SSDs are faster for IO operations in general, but previously it wasn't like this for HDDs, even on fresh installs.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by jdboyd »

greedo wrote: post #45

I was looking forward to ML until I read the supported hardware and found that my 2006 Mac Pro won't be supported. This has happened in the past with other Macs, but this is the first time it has bit me. My Pro is perfect for me, I have it maxed at 32 GB of memory, dual optical drives, and 4TB of local disk. Quad 2.66GHz cores is more than enough for me. I understand that things like display Airplay mirroring depend…

When 10.5 came out, a lot of unsupported systems only required a minor hack to make 10.5 install (copy the DVD to HD, edit a file, burn back to DVD).

With luck, there will be an easy hack this time as well. I believe the factor that decides which machines got cut off is the lack of 64bit EFI, which Apple requires for booting a 64bit kernel. Some people have already worked out how to use hackintosh tools to boot from Legacy Mode into a 64bit EFI and then into a 64bit kernel on the 2006/2007 Mac Pros, which apparently increases expansion card compatiblity (particularly making it possible to put unflashed PC video cards in the machine). Also, after doing this, some of the older MacPro video cards will be unsupported (such as the 7300GT). A suitable Radeon replacement is probably cheap though.

It is too early to tell, but with luck the same thing can be done by dedicated MacPro owners to get 10.8.

Personally, I'm very disappointed that my wife's MacBook is also on the unsupported list. I will probably end up just replacing her laptop rather than trying to hack it.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Post by smashing »

greedo wrote: post #45

I was looking forward to ML until I read the supported hardware and found that my 2006 Mac Pro won't be supported. This has happened in the past with other Macs, but this is the first time it has bit me. My Pro is perfect for me, I have it maxed at 32 GB of memory, dual optical drives, and 4TB of local disk. Quad 2.66GHz cores is more than enough for me. I understand that things like display Airplay mirroring depend…

What's the point of upgrading to ML? It seems pretty unimpressive.
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