Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

cnbc.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 383 posts

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#21

Post by staticman2 »

ipaddr wrote: post #6

I' m not sure how they make it back. The guardrails in place are extremely strict. The only people who seem to use it are a subset of developers who are unhappy with OpenAI. With Bard popping up free everywhere taking away much of the general user crowd and OpenAI offering the mini model always free and limited image generation / expensive model. Then you have to do it yourself crowd with llama. What is their target…

The Guardrails on Claude Sonnet 3.5 API are not stricter than Openai's guardrails in my experience. More specifically, if you access the models via API or third party services like Poe or Perplexity the guardrails are not stricter than GPT4o. I've never subscribed to Claude.ai so can't comment on that.

I have no experience with Claud.ai vs ChatGPT but it's clear the underlying model has no issue with guardrails and this is simply an easily tweaked developer setting if you are correct that they are stricter on Claude.ai.

(The old Claude 2.1 was hilariously unwilling to follow reasonable user instructions due to "ethics" but they've come a long way since then.)

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#22

Post by swyx »

jatins wrote: post #13

Anthropic gets a lot of it's business via AWS Bedrock so it's fair to say that Amazon probably has reasonable insight into how the Claude usage is growing that makes them confident in this investment

> gets a lot of it's business via AWS Bedrock

can you quantify? any numbers, even guesstimates?

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#23

Post by atsaloli »

ipaddr wrote: post #6

I' m not sure how they make it back. The guardrails in place are extremely strict. The only people who seem to use it are a subset of developers who are unhappy with OpenAI. With Bard popping up free everywhere taking away much of the general user crowd and OpenAI offering the mini model always free and limited image generation / expensive model. Then you have to do it yourself crowd with llama. What is their target…

I am in Operations. I use it (and pay for it) because the free version seemed to work best for me compared to Perplexity (which had been my go-to) and ChatGPT/OpenAI.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#24

Post by hamburga »

ipaddr wrote: post #6

I' m not sure how they make it back. The guardrails in place are extremely strict. The only people who seem to use it are a subset of developers who are unhappy with OpenAI. With Bard popping up free everywhere taking away much of the general user crowd and OpenAI offering the mini model always free and limited image generation / expensive model. Then you have to do it yourself crowd with llama. What is their target…

Government alone could be huge, with this recent nonsense about the military funding a “Manhattan project for AI” and the recently announced Pentagon contracts.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#25

Post by ipaddr »

staticman2 wrote: post #21
ipaddr wrote: post #6

I' m not sure how they make it back. The guardrails in place are extremely strict. The only people who seem to use it are a subset of developers who are unhappy with OpenAI. With Bard popping up free everywhere taking away much of the general user crowd and OpenAI offering the mini model always free and limited image generation / expensive model. Then you have to do it yourself crowd with llama. What is their target…

The Guardrails on Claude Sonnet 3.5 API are not stricter than Openai's guardrails in my experience. More specifically, if you access the models via API or third party services like Poe or Perplexity the guardrails are not stricter than GPT4o. I've never subscribed to Claude.ai so can't comment on that. I have no experience with Claud.ai vs ChatGPT but it's clear the underlying model has no issue with guardrails and t…

My comment was purely about Claud.ai which is where general customers would go.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#27

Post by uneekname »

As someone who doesn't really follow the LLM space closely, I have been consistently turning to Anthropic when I want to use an LLM (usually to work through coding problems)

Beside Sonnet impressing me, I like Anthropic because there's less of an "icky" factor compared to OpenAI or even Google. I don't know how much better Anthropic actually is, but I don't think I'm the only one who chooses based on my perception of the company's values and social responsibility.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#28

Post by n2d4 »

fariszr wrote: post #20

This makes sense in the grand scheme of things. Anthropic used to be in the Google camp, but DeepMind seems to have picked up speed lately, with new “Experimental” Gemini Models beating everyone, while AWS doesn't have anything on the cutting edge of AI. Hopefully this helps Anthropic to fix their abysmal rate limits.

> Anthropic used to be in the Google camp

I don't think Anthropic took any allegiances here. Amazon already invested $4B last year (Google invested $2B).

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#29

Post by dragonwriter »

staticman2 wrote: post #21
ipaddr wrote: post #6

I' m not sure how they make it back. The guardrails in place are extremely strict. The only people who seem to use it are a subset of developers who are unhappy with OpenAI. With Bard popping up free everywhere taking away much of the general user crowd and OpenAI offering the mini model always free and limited image generation / expensive model. Then you have to do it yourself crowd with llama. What is their target…

The Guardrails on Claude Sonnet 3.5 API are not stricter than Openai's guardrails in my experience. More specifically, if you access the models via API or third party services like Poe or Perplexity the guardrails are not stricter than GPT4o. I've never subscribed to Claude.ai so can't comment on that. I have no experience with Claud.ai vs ChatGPT but it's clear the underlying model has no issue with guardrails and t…

> The Guardrails on Claude Sonnet 3.5 API are not stricter than Openai’s guardrails in my experience.

Both Gemini and Claude (via the API) have substantially tighter guardrails around recitation (producing output matching data from their training set) than OpenAI, which I ran into when testing an image text-extraction-and-document-formatting toolchain against all three.

Both Claude and Gemini gave refusals on text extraction from image documents (not available publicly anywhere I can find as text) from a CIA FOIA release

Not sure if they are tighter in other areas.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

#30

Post by staticman2 »

ipaddr wrote: post #25
staticman2 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guardrails on Claude Sonnet 3.5 API are not stricter than Openai's guardrails in my experience. More specifically, if you access the models via API or third party services like Poe or Perplexity the guardrails are not stricter than GPT4o. I've never subscribed to Claude.ai so can't comment on that. I have no experience with Claud.ai vs ChatGPT but it's clear the underlying model has no issue with guardrails and t…

My comment was purely about Claud.ai which is where general customers would go.

I don't know if Claude.ai or ChatGPT are even profitable at this stage, so they might not particularly want general customers.
Post reply on HN