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Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Sorry, that didn't clarify much. Is "very much so buggy as hell" or "very much so fixed"? I'm confused :(

Very much fixed. Apple doesn't ship crap software these days.

Uhm, Podcasts App? Lion?

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Something very odd is happening at Apple. Either there is a massive shortage of developers (unlikely) or developers have been moved to a new project (AppleTV ?). Because Mountain Lion and iOS6 are by far the most underwhelming updates yet in terms of features.

Over 200 new features and plenty of behind-the-scenes refinements, all for $20 and 12 months after Lion. Sounds like they're firing on all cylinders in Cupertino. http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html

Beg to differ / disagree. I'd say there's a lot less than 200 features, most are "refinements". I mean, really, is "Date Picker in Calendar now has a mini Calendar" is a "new feature"? A new widget on a control?

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Very much fixed. Apple doesn't ship crap software these days.

Uhm, Podcasts App? Lion?

I love both. They're incredibly polished, work fantastically, and were crafted with very fine attention to detail. Perhaps you don't like the details they focused on, fine, but if you think these are crap software, you don't know actual crap software.

I encourage you to buy a cheap consumer embedded NAS to learn.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Just bought a new Macbook Pro and have recently gotten my first taste of Lion. Two words: kernel panic. Hoping for a stability boost on this one. No way my entire overpowered system should crash from running a browser, text edit, and Skype.

Check your hardware. xnu is incredibly stable. It may also be a 1.0 driver, considering what you're running it on. You _are_ on the absolute cutting edge of the universe right now, GPU-wise, after all.

Lion itself is rock solid.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Something very odd is happening at Apple. Either there is a massive shortage of developers (unlikely) or developers have been moved to a new project (AppleTV ?). Because Mountain Lion and iOS6 are by far the most underwhelming updates yet in terms of features.

Underwhelming by what means?

Small features like VIP whitelists for Mail.app, the Finder "share" button, and bigger features like Power Nap are significant improvements for many users.

I'm all about the future made into reality, but what kind of features do you see in other recent OS updates that are a) successful and not buggy as hell and b) ambitious enough to be not considered "underwhelming"?

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Anybody know if Messages has improved? The beta I'm using is buggy as hell.

It's vastly better in the DPs. They haven't updated the beta _at all_ since it was released months and months ago.

But still no MSN integration, right? I still have some MSN contacts that forces me to stick to Adium.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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ZFS file system. Fixing iCal and Address book by returning them to proper non-skeuomorph applications, maybe even adjusting the UI to the strengths of computers rather than bring in the inefficiencies of the paper tools we left behind. Proper Mail.app plugins. Not limiting the notification system to App Store apps. Finder replacement. Maybe with something like semantic tagging replacing folders, complete with proper…

Skeumorphism is about taste. You just don’t share Apple’s. Simple as that. As long as it doesn’t impact the UI there is nothing wrong with skeumorphism. Every app can use the notification system. They only can’t use push notifications if they are not in the App Store. Not terribly relevant for the desktop.

I disagree that skeuomorphism is only about taste. It's not just a skin, it also removes and limits functionality. I can even give specific examples. If you have lion, go to your address book.

It probably opens and lists people on the left with their details on the right. It looks like a book. Can you group people? It's certainly not obvious that such functionality (which is useful!) exists.

Now click the red bookmark thing on top. Not very intuitive. It looks like a bookmark, not something that switches to a different view. Anyways, viola! The grouping interface! But now I can't see contact details. I need to "flip the page" back to see the details. This is a huge step backwards and is so inefficient that I completely stopped using groups when I moved to Lion.

Now consider Mountain lion: http://6.mshcdn.com/wp-content/gallery/apple-os-x-mountain-l...

Hey! It's the three column view from the old address book! Now I can see my groups, contacts, and details, just like before. Not as skeuomorph though. Now it's just an app that is skinned to look like a book. It doesn't function like a book. There are no pages to flip. It still has the dimensions of a book I guess, but that only makes that left page looks mighty constrained.

UI is about displaying and working with information, and this skeuomorphism is arguably not a very good way of doing either. I can lodge similar complaints about iCal. For instance, why are months always on separate pages? When I'm near the end of a month, I have to keep switching back and forth (with a slow unneeded animation on top). It's a computer, surely we can come up with an interface that discards this old page limitation of paper calendars! Not if you are thinking with skeuomorphism though.

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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Something very odd is happening at Apple. Either there is a massive shortage of developers (unlikely) or developers have been moved to a new project (AppleTV ?). Because Mountain Lion and iOS6 are by far the most underwhelming updates yet in terms of features.

They have also moved to an 18 month release cycle for OS X[1], so we should not expect huge swathes of changes in each release. [1]: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/143731/mac-os-x-mountain-li...

I thought they announced they were moving to a yearly release cycle.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44444/mac-os-x-updates-yearl...

Re: Apple Releases Final Mac OS X Mountain Lion to Developers

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What exactly would have been over whelming?

ZFS file system. Fixing iCal and Address book by returning them to proper non-skeuomorph applications, maybe even adjusting the UI to the strengths of computers rather than bring in the inefficiencies of the paper tools we left behind. Proper Mail.app plugins. Not limiting the notification system to App Store apps. Finder replacement. Maybe with something like semantic tagging replacing folders, complete with proper…

"If you are at home and have multiple computers, why not borrow your desktops CPU to do heavy processing (say for photos or video?)"

You can do this in Compressor.

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