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How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by steveklabnik »

VTimofeenko wrote: post #137
LeoPanthera wrote: post #87

I really wish Oxide had homelab/prosumer grade stuff. I'd be sending them so much money.

A ~20U rack working off residential 15/20A would have been so cool. Though given how it's designed for the datacenters, I'd expect the thing to be pretty darn loud.

> Though given how it's designed for the datacenters, I'd expect the thing to be pretty darn loud.

It's actually very much the opposite: the rack is very, very quiet. You can hear for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcgPRIWf6I

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by VTimofeenko »

steveklabnik wrote: post #141
VTimofeenko wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ~20U rack working off residential 15/20A would have been so cool. Though given how it's designed for the datacenters, I'd expect the thing to be pretty darn loud.

> Though given how it's designed for the datacenters, I'd expect the thing to be pretty darn loud. It's actually very much the opposite: the rack is very, very quiet. You can hear for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcgPRIWf6I

That is quiet, indeed! Have you done any decibel measurements by any chance? I wonder how loud it would be when compared to just ambient residential noise level.

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by walrus01 »

applied_heat wrote: post #126
walrus01 wrote: post #24

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big ass rectifiers big ass solid copper busbars huge gauge copper cables going around a central office (google "telcoflex IV") big DC breaker/fuse panels specialized dc fuse panels for power distribution at the top of racks, using little tiny fuses 100% overhead steel ladder rack type cable trays, since your typical telco CO was never a raised floor type environment (UNLIKE legacy 1960s/1970s mainframe computer rooms…

Can you give me a link to this 1.3 gbps radio product? I have some Alcatel radios with waveguides on a licensed band that only do 50 megabit that I would upgrade if there was something that could get more bits out of the same bandwidth and towers.

Ceragon is one brand name. If you need to keep an entirely indoor unit radio in a rack with the existing waveguide it'll cost a little more, since that's a more rare configuration for new 4096QAM modulation radios.

The 1.3 Gbps full duplex capacity assumes dual linear H&V polarization simultaneously, and assumes an 80 MHz wide FDD channel split such as in the 11 GHz high/low band plan. If you're in FCC part 101 regulatory band territory, and what frequency your existing radios use and existing path, you might not have that capacity. You could have an existing 40 MHz wide channel which will be half the capacity.

If you have a 50 Mbps radio product it's also very likely you're in a single polarity so you would need to recoordinate the path (around $1500) entirely to get the same MHz in the opposite polarity.

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by steveklabnik »

VTimofeenko wrote: post #142
steveklabnik wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Though given how it's designed for the datacenters, I'd expect the thing to be pretty darn loud. It's actually very much the opposite: the rack is very, very quiet. You can hear for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcgPRIWf6I

That is quiet, indeed! Have you done any decibel measurements by any chance? I wonder how loud it would be when compared to just ambient residential noise level.

I don't remember off the top of my head.

It's quiet enough that one customer is putting one just straight-up on their office floor, rather than in a colo somewhere. I've stood next to one in our office (which is a big garage, no soundproofing, so sound otherwhere bounces around a lot) and had conversations easily.

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by ZeroCool2u »

mkeeter wrote: post #76
ZeroCool2u wrote: post #52

If any Oxide staff are here, I'm just curious, is BlueSky a customer? Seems like it would fit well with their on-prem setup.

Nope, but many of us (Oxide staff) are big fans of what Bluesky is doing! One of the Bluesky team members posted about their requirements earlier this month, and why Oxide isn't a great fit for them at the moment: https://bsky.app/profile/jaz.bsky.social/post/3laha2upw3k2z

Appreciate the reply! Been following Oxide for a few years now and really enjoy the technical blogs :)

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

huijzer wrote: post #134

> Here’s a sobering thought: today, data centers already consume 1-2% of the world’s power, and that percentage will likely rise to 3-4% by the end of the decade. I don't get this marketing angle. I've made arguments here before that the cost of compute from a energy perspective is often negligible. If Google Maps, for example, can save you 1 mile due to better routing, then that is several orders of magnitude more e…

both are true. using computers to reduce emissions is good, and reducing computer emissions is good.

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by VTimofeenko »

steveklabnik wrote: post #144
VTimofeenko wrote: post #142

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That is quiet, indeed! Have you done any decibel measurements by any chance? I wonder how loud it would be when compared to just ambient residential noise level.

I don't remember off the top of my head. It's quiet enough that one customer is putting one just straight-up on their office floor, rather than in a colo somewhere. I've stood next to one in our office (which is a big garage, no soundproofing, so sound otherwhere bounces around a lot) and had conversations easily.

Thanks for the info, it would definitely pass the WAF gate from that perspective :)

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by rcxdude »

PreInternet01 wrote: post #12
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #9

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> it's just that Rewrite It In (Safe) Rust is unlikely to help with that... I didn't see any mention of Rust in the article?

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I think it's hard to call it a reason. It is a tool which fits in with the philosophy of the company in terms of how to achieve it's goals, but I think it would still exist if rust didn't. I would describe the goal as making a hyperscaling system that can be sold as a product, the philosophy of how to make this is an aggressive focus on integration, openness, and quality, and that rust is a language that works well with the last two of those goals.

Re: How oxide cuts data center power consumption in half

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Post by PeterCorless »

KenoFischer wrote: post #135
bcantrill wrote: post #131

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First, thanks for the love -- it's deeply appreciated! Our go-to-market is not an accident: we spent a ton of time (too much time?) looking at how every company had endeavored (and failed) in this space, and then considering a bunch of other options besides. Plugging into a "cheap Gigabyte" system wouldn't actually allow us to build what we've built, and we know this viscerally: before we had our system built, we had…

Please forgive my tergiversation. I fully trust that you know your path and I know how annoying it is to be why-dont-they-just'd. As I said, I'm rooting for you.

+1 for use of tergiversation
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