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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by edanm »

feedforward wrote: post #531
xenospn wrote: post #372

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The New York Times and Haaretz reported in the summer and autumn of last year (just prior to the current flareup), Netanyahu had sent the Mossad head to Qatar in order to convince them to send money to prop up the Hamas government in Gaza. As Netanyahu said publicly in 2012, he wanted Hamas strong and the Palestinian Authority and Fatah weak, as the PA was pursuing measures at the United Nations. You're pointing the…

> You're pointing the finger at the State of Palestine and "any Muslim country", when the real supporters of Hamas for years has been Israel and Netanyahu.

You said true things before about Netanyahu propping up Hamas, and he certainly has a lot to answer for.

But you then went way too far in this statement. The "real supporters" or Hamas are not the Israelis or Netanyahu. They existed before Netanyahu, and they're armed and funded to massive degrees by Iran. And while Netanyahu certainly had a certain symbiosis with Hamas, and used them to weaken the PA, Hamas is its own organization; the diversion of the funds that Netanyahu helped secure them to creating the October 7th attack was certainly not anyone's desire except Hamas's own.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by underdeserver »

carb wrote: post #603
ThinkBeat wrote: post #473

I really don't think this belongs on the front page. It is a highly divisive political issue with strong radicalisation at the edges of any discourse on it. I have my own strong opinions on it, but arguing it does not in my opinon belong on the front page here. There are plenty of places you can go and have this discussion in as heated of a version as you prefer.

I disagree. #1 this topic is not as divisive as it may seem. There is consensus as to what is happening and only a minority of the world thinks otherwise. #2 Israel is a major tech partner and most large tech companies have offices in Tel Aviv. Many startups that we discuss here are headquartered in Tel Aviv. The head of state of the country having an ICC arrest warrant and the situation at large have major consequen…

What is it that you believe there is consensus about?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by cwkoss »

threemux wrote: post #51

Not super meaningful in reality - any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". Israel is listed in the…

It would be a chance to become a hero of humanity that 99% of the world would cheer on...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by monocasa »

culi wrote: post #574
newspaper1 wrote: post #271

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Yes, because they want to operate outside the rule of international law.

Imagine the US having to face consequences for Iraq. One of the most fucked up collection of war crimes and violations of laws of war in the 21st century. The average American now thinks "we shouldn't have gone into Iraq" but has no idea the reputation the US has in the rest of the world because of this act

There's jurisdiction questions there since neither Iraq nor the US are Rome Statute signatories, however Palestine is a signatory.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by cwkoss »

kombine wrote: post #452
1over137 wrote: post #30

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Why not? How is it “hacker news” at all? It’s just news news.

Because Israel is an integral part of our industry. Most major corporations have their presence in Israel. Moreover, Israel is using AI extensively in their war on Palestinian people, which they develop in partnership with the US.

A significant portion of the US economy uses Israeli developed cybersecurity products. I wonder if there are any backdoors Mossad uses to consolidate influence.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ceejayoz »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #640
fmajid wrote: post #476

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Netanyahu and Gallant will no longer be able to travel to Europe, and likely will not want to fly over Europe either (thus not to the US either).

Presumably if they get invited to Europe it will be with assurance from the state that nothing happens to them. And traveling uninvited is probably a bad move anyway. So not much difference. If you mean to imply that Europe is somehow going to shoot down their planes if they fly over that’s obviously absurd.

> If you mean to imply that Europe is somehow going to shoot down their planes if they fly over that’s obviously absurd.

Shoot down? No.

Force them down? There's precedent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by buran77 »

MrMcCall wrote: post #264
nabla9 wrote: post #159

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The outcome of this case will be hard to predict, but Netanyahu and Gallant did their best to get convicted.

Your dark humor made me chuckle. Thanks for that in this dire world. May the persecution of all innocent Jews, Palestinians, Ukrainians, and Africans (e.g. Ugandans) end and a world of peace and justice be established, for one and all.

The double edged sword is that proving an ongoing crime maybe stops it from unfolding but anything other than a conviction is presented as an endorsement and encouragement to continue. That could be fine if there's really no crime, not so fine if the crime just couldn't be proven.

Considering here the old adage that absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. They both lead to the same verdict from a court of public opinion point of view, and realistically the same consequences from a court of justice.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by nujabe »

netsharc wrote: post #554
xenospn wrote: post #372

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The whole "The Muslims/Muslim countries won't do X, and therefore why should we?" argument is funny and depressing to me. Why won't they do X? Because maybe in your mind you think they're savages/less civilized. Less, that is, compared to you/your community's (in whatever scale: nation, race, hemisphere). But if you're saying "If they don't do X, we can behave the same", isn't that a call for you/your community to ab…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by andrewinardeer »

fmajid wrote: post #476
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #449

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My question, though, is does pushing these kinds of toothless resolutions make any difference beyond showing that the ICC essentially has no power to enforce its warrants? It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead. Does it do anyone any good to pretend this hasn't happened? It reminded me of the post Elizabeth Warren…

Netanyahu and Gallant will no longer be able to travel to Europe, and likely will not want to fly over Europe either (thus not to the US either).

Why not the US?

The aren't signatories to the ICC.

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