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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

loceng wrote: post #485
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

I first thought you were going to point out how the misuse of the word "antisemitic" is especially problematic here: Do the vast majority of people not understand correlation vs. causation? Because Netanyahu is Jewish does not mean an action against him is because he's Jewish. That they are willing to use such "cry wolf" tactics, abusing it, dilutes their credibility at minimum - and then should bring their integrity…

I mean, this has been standard operating procedure for the State of Israel for a long time now. Any criticism is dismissed as antisemitic.

Personally, I don't think that's fair, but it's understandable why they would use it as a defence.

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Post by grumple »

dang wrote: post #38
1over137 wrote: post #30

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Why not? How is it “hacker news” at all? It’s just news news.

On HN, having some stories with political overlap is both inevitable and ok—the question is which particular stories those should be. We try to go for the ones that contain significant new information. See more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42204689 . This approach has been stable for many years and there's no intention to allow HN to become a primarily-political site (quite the contrary) but it also doesn'…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by vladgur »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #475
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by bpodgursky »

newspaper1 wrote: post #271
1024core wrote: post #267

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> they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are There's a reason why the US does not recognize the ICC.

Yes, because they want to operate outside the rule of international law.

For international law to "rule" over anything, it should start by having an enforcement arm that isn't 98% the US military.

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Post by ada1981 »

pagade wrote: post #463
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

Antisemitic. Every time I hear this word, I can’t help but think of its irony—a term used exclusively for describing discrimination against one community, as if prejudice against them carries more weight than against any other. Perhaps, though, it serves as the best reflection of our hypocrisy.

Especially when you consider "semites" are a member of an ancient or modern people from southwestern Asia, such as the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, or Arabs. It can also refer to a descendant of these peoples.

So, many Palestinians are Semites as well. And one may conclude when Ovadia Yosef, a former Chief Rabbi of Israel, says:

“It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable. The Lord shall return the Arab’s deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world.”*

That this is "Anti-Semitic" speech as well.

It's amazing how buying off 98% of US Representatives can change a cultural and media narrative.

*https://adc.org/racist-incitement-by-israeli-leaders-must-en...

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

aguaviva wrote: post #493
nickff wrote: post #445

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ICC member Mongolia didn't arrest Putin when he visited. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/ukraine-situation-icc-pre-trial...

The fact that it's the only country he's been able to visit since the warrant was issued (aside from North Korea) indicates that, by and large -- it's working as intended.

>The fact that it's the only country he's been able to visit since the warrant was issued

Putin has visited around 20 countries after this ICC warrant including UAE, Saudi Arabia, China, Armenia, Vietnam , India (planned), Uzbekistan ...

Start here and start counting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_presiden...

But I know you wont. Your response will be shifting some goal posts like "these are not real countries because they don't exist in my coloring book"

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

newspaper1 wrote: post #322
ComputerGuru wrote: post #320

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Yep, it was House Resolution 1449 if anyone is curious. Really scary times to see our freedoms eroded like this: https://x.com/RepRashida/status/1859362185178439786

The working definition of the IHRA[0] is truly awful.

  “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
A certain perception?

The original meaning when the term was coined in the 19th century[1] was that of a racial or ethnic hatred of Jews, as "Semite" is a racial or ethnic category. This is more sensible. It can also be distinguished from anti-Jewishness as a rejection of or hostility toward Judaism as a matter of religious belief, culture, or ethos (which better characterizes historical negative attitudes; the test of this is the acceptance of authentic converts, something the Nazis would never recognize, as their hatred was racial in nature).

[0] https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitio...

[1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/anti-Semitism#etymonline_v_1...

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Post by analognoise »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

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Post by hilbert42 »

com wrote: post #478
hilbert42 wrote: post #458

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"It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead." Correct, and that's what happened only about a decade after WWI—the War to End All Wars and look what happened. I'm fearful history might repeat itself. It has a bad habit of doing so and often with unexpected twists.

Justice has to be declared as an essential principle of human organisation. If the 1984 vision of a boot stamping on a human face forever is going to work out to be true, then so be it. The ICJ is at least holding out against that future. What will you (as a human) choose to do? These days and years are going to be definitional I think.

"The ICJ is at least holding out against that future."

ICJ? Are you implying that what I said, implied or inferred was against the ICC?

Let me be clear, I nether said, meant nor inferred any of those things. In fact I'm in favor of the ICC despite the fact it's a paper tiger in areas where it's most needed.

Edit: that said, like many, I've some criticisms all of which other comments have echoed. Like most things the ICC is a compromise in an imperfect world, it's better than nothing though.

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