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Post by vkou »

bluGill wrote: post #112
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by alexisread »

tuyguntn wrote: post #219

If Netanyahu and Gallant declared as war criminals, does it also mean whoever helped them during the 2024 is complicit? Wondering what happens to so many Western leaders who supported Netanyahu unconditionally.

Technically yes, and a number of UK politicians are being mooted for investigation

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/23/criminal-complaint-...

Notably this admission by David Cameron, to knowledge of starvation is rather damning

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-67926799

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by [deleted] »

bbqfog wrote: post #146
bluGill wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by jowea »

zarzavat wrote: post #75
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

Given that the accused is currently in control of the crime scene, it's not surprising that the prosecution chose to prioritise the crimes that are easiest to prove.

Same reason an warrant on Putin was issued over the official children "adoption" program.

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Post by tsimionescu »

FireBeyond wrote: post #379
ComputerGuru wrote: post #346

For context, this is only possible because the state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member and thus give the ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed on Palestinian territory, whether by Israel or by Palestinian factions. The USA is still mad at them for doing it. The full account is worth reading, it includes considerations by the various resistance factions that they’d also be subje…

> For context, this is only possible because the state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member and thus give the ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed on Palestinian territory, whether by Israel or by Palestinian factions. The USA is still mad at them for doing it. That sounds biased. Why -shouldn't- Palestine be able to be a member of the ICC? Your verbiage makes it sounds like they…

I think the GP intended to congratulate the Palestinians for their digged resilience in pursuing this, despite the extraordinary opposition they faced. I think they were using this language specifically to suggest how hard the fight was, not to imply that it was a bad thing.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by com »

ssijak wrote: post #59
threemux wrote: post #51

Not super meaningful in reality - any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". Israel is listed in the…

The Netherlands said that they would arrest anybody accused. That would be peculiar to see, what would actually happen if anybody of the accused were to travel there.

The Dutch have a very lackadaisical attitude to law, and at the very same time a very principled cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face rule of law mentality.

If I were a senior Israeli or Hamas leader I’d avoid the place for a couple of decades in case of sealed charges.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ArnoVW »

giardini wrote: post #410

Have they issued any warrants for Hamas leaders for the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel?

they have, at the same time, issued a warrant for Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri, who is (or was) the commander of the armed part of Hamas.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-p...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #68
dang wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users flagged it, as is common for the most divisive topics. I've turned the flags off now, in keeping with HN's standard practices: some (but only some) stories with political overlap are allowed, and in the case of a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) we prefer the stories that contain Significant New Information (SNI). [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange…

Stories with flags turned off should display a banner. These moderation decisions deserve transparency.

I agree, so long as the people who flagged a given submission or post should also be displayed, for the same reason of transparency. Also the items a user flags should be included in their profile, for the same reason of transparency.

In the interest of full disclosure and the same transparency, I say this as someone who has had such a flag-bombed submission saved, an NPR report about one of the first systemic uses of gun-armed, AI-powered flying drones to mass-shoot people (not to mention that location targeting for the shootings is largely AI-driven as well). I struggle to think of a good reason to flag that as off-topic for Hacker News:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42199969

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