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New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

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Good luck dragging people into war over space trash that doesn't even benefit most peoples' lives in any material sense.

Are you sure that you have never looked at a weather forecast (or received a severe weather warning), crossed an ocean in an airplane, used GPS (or another satellite-based navigation system, or eaten food farmed using precision automated equipment that does), which are just the first things coming to mind that would be much harder without satellites?

Do you really think people will want to go to war to protect America's hegemony of gps?

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

#152

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Yeah unless all the orbits under 500 km are also annulled and put up for negotiation too, most countries would never accept it. And even then the negotiation process will take decades so that means no LEO satellites available for anyone for several decades.

> all the orbits under 500 km are also annulled and put up for negotiation Unnecessary. There's plenty of space (no pun intended) to operate at those altitudes, even with existing and planned satellite constellations. The real issue is regulatory, not technical. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42199498

An HN user’s opinion doesn’t matter in the context of how countries decide in international diplomacy…?

How does this make sense? Other countries could clearly decide however they like, because they don’t need to come to the negotiating table.

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

#153
post #140

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Are you sure that you have never looked at a weather forecast (or received a severe weather warning), crossed an ocean in an airplane, used GPS (or another satellite-based navigation system, or eaten food farmed using precision automated equipment that does), which are just the first things coming to mind that would be much harder without satellites?

Do you really think people will want to go to war to protect America's hegemony of gps?

I believe the US would almost certainly go to war if there were an intentional attack on GPS.

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

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basically, it sounds like the U.S. should not treat China as a competitor and we should cooperate. this insane hypercompetition for literally no reason (other than US capitalists wanting to remain dominant) is going to destroy us all.

You think the Chinese capitalists aren't also trying to become dominant?

They are, but China regularly dispossesses them and sometimes executes them, so the communist party, with huge popular membership, is in control.

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

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post #59

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The US is politically stable already (by historical and international standards), and has been since 1865. If you ignore the rhetoric and focus on actions there has been very little substantiative difference in foreign policy across the last 7 presidential administrations.

Going from a treaty and cooperation with Iran to cutting them off was a pretty substantial change that has already had global implications.

Even prior to that, Iran was desperately trying to cultivate relations with the West in the 90s/00s before Bush suddenly declared them Axis 2.0 and created a massive security crisis on their doorstep.

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> What emerged out of this economic crisis was a reform movement led by Mohammad Khatami, who won a presidential election in 1997 on promises to cultivate civil society, fix the economy, and replace a "clash of civilizations" with a "dialogue of civilizations." The cultural transformation unfolded over the next several years was remarkable. The share of university graduates who were women topped 60 percent, a new generation of intellectuals began to favorably cite Western philosophers, and religion more or less stopped policing the daily lives of most Iranians. By 2000, the Economist was reporting that according to Iran's own clergy, fewer than 2 percent of Iranians attended mosque on Fridays. On the economic side, the neo-liberalization of Iran intensified; small-scale factories were exempted from labor laws, and state-owned industries were privatized (loosening the state's grip on the economy was thought to be the best way of decreasing state interference in Iranians' private lives). Iran's relationship with foreign nations, even the US, also improved considerably. President Clinton eased up on the economic sanctions that Reagan had put in place in 1987, and Khatami appeared on CNN to talk about his admiration for the American nation and people. Al Qaeda's attack on the United States on September 11, 2001, was met with a massive outpouring of sympathy for America in Tehran, with enormous crowds holding candlelit vigils and some sixty thousand people observing a moment of silence at a soccer match on September 23.

[1] https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-37/politics/we-used-to-run...

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

#156
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Please don't commit acts of war. War is bad.

"Please don't hurt the bully in the playground, fighting is bad" The bully isn't going to learn with this implicit encouragement.

Neither kid is an angel, but they both are smart enough not to risk an all-out fight with each other.

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

#157
post #88

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Going from a treaty and cooperation with Iran to cutting them off was a pretty substantial change that has already had global implications.

Even prior to that, Iran was desperately trying to cultivate relations with the West in the 90s/00s before Bush suddenly declared them Axis 2.0 and created a massive security crisis on their doorstep. [1] > What emerged out of this economic crisis was a reform movement led by Mohammad Khatami, who won a presidential election in 1997 on promises to cultivate civil society, fix the economy, and replace a "clash of civi…

If Iran was legitimately interested in having relations with the West then they would allow religious freedom, release political prisoners, introduce free elections, recognize Israel's right to exist, stop sponsoring terrorist organizations, and apologize for holding our diplomats hostage. Since they didn't do any of those basic, simple things then I don't believe for a second that they were "desperately" trying. People who are actually desperate do whatever it takes instead of the bare minimum.

President Bush certainly bungled the situation as well.

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

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You think the Chinese capitalists aren't also trying to become dominant?

They are, but China regularly dispossesses them and sometimes executes them, so the communist party, with huge popular membership, is in control.

I'm talking about the CCP itself, not the various business people running other companies there. The CCP are capitalists, in case you haven't noticed. (I know, Americans can't really wrap their heads around that one.)

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

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How can you get past that orbit if there is all this junk destroying your rockets????

Ideally a satellite is in a given orbit for years. If junk is destroying it in weeks or even months you’ve got a massive issue. However a rocket is spending in a seconds in that same orbit. Thus a rocket passing through may only have say 1:10,000 odds of a collision on its way to mars while satellites are getting shredded.

Yes exactly ... This is a cloud of junk that stops anything getting out....

Re: New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrome [video]

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Do you really think people will want to go to war to protect America's hegemony of gps?

I believe the US would almost certainly go to war if there were an intentional attack on GPS.

The us goes to war if someone sneezes.
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