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Post by dwater »

sekai wrote: post #155
KSteffensen wrote: post #100

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I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

> I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel. Iran and basically the rest of the Middle East, US needs an ally to keep the region in check.

Many scholars argue that the US uses Israel to destabilize the region so that all other countries besides Israel are unable to form a bloc and resist US hegemony, but perhaps that's what you meant by "keep the region in check".

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by immibis »

seabass-labrax wrote: post #231
TrueDuality wrote: post #206

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Courts are political entities but this is one that Israel chose to accept and recognize the authority of. It has a history of being very transparent in its decisions and is widely recognized as being neutral and fair in their decision making process. Of course the person charged and found guilty of a crime will argue against the court. Disagreement, even if valid, doesn't change the recognized authority of this court…

Israel don't recognize the authority of the International Criminal Court. Palestine, however, does, and therefore the ICC consider these allegations within their jurisdiction. A relevant point is that the UK (under the previous Conservative party government) requested the opportunity to dispute the allegations of war crimes based on this complication, but the new British government did not choose to continue with the…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by MrMcCall »

nabla9 wrote: post #159
bawolff wrote: post #106

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I mean, nobody really knows until the trial (if one ever happens). Its easy to be convincing when you are just listening to the prosecution - it gets harder once the defense has the opportunity to poke holes. Keep in mind the conviction rate at ICC is pretty low. > The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The court already disagreed with said panel on one of the charges (c…

The outcome of this case will be hard to predict, but Netanyahu and Gallant did their best to get convicted.

Your dark humor made me chuckle. Thanks for that in this dire world.

May the persecution of all innocent Jews, Palestinians, Ukrainians, and Africans (e.g. Ugandans) end and a world of peace and justice be established, for one and all.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by CSMastermind »

input_sh wrote: post #183
BadHumans wrote: post #63

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Allow me to introduce you to the Hague Invasion Act, signed into law 22 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr... > The Act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court".[2] If you dig a little further,…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by immibis »

locallost wrote: post #248

I doubt there will be actual arrests, but there will be and there are already consequences. I just saw France and Netherlands announced they will obey the warrants, thus Netanyahu can no longer travel there. Presumably the whole of EU is off limits (I am unaware which countries recognize the court).

I expect Germany to declare the opposite. There is a small chance this incident fractures the European Union.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by 1024core »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

> they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are

There's a reason why the US does not recognize the ICC.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by locallost »

immibis wrote: post #266
locallost wrote: post #248

I doubt there will be actual arrests, but there will be and there are already consequences. I just saw France and Netherlands announced they will obey the warrants, thus Netanyahu can no longer travel there. Presumably the whole of EU is off limits (I am unaware which countries recognize the court).

I expect Germany to declare the opposite. There is a small chance this incident fractures the European Union.

I think Germany has already said it will respect the court's decision but disagrees with it.

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Post by talldayo »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #260
alexisread wrote: post #242

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The question here is why is only Israel covered in this act? Also anti-BDS legislation in finance, regardless of ethical etc. concerns? The US gives $4bn/year to Israel gratis, and so far $20bn in weapons over the course of this conflict, including advanced weapons like the F35 WITH source code access (which no other F35 partner has) - why? There have been no investigations of US deaths WRT settler violence, aid work…

We give Jordan $1.6B/year, what does it give in return? What about Ethiopia at $2B/yr?

We gave Pakistan and Iran a few billion dollars in military aid a while back. What we got in return was a Bangladesh genocide and an Islamic revolution.

Lesson learned: arms sales can be used to ideologically justify butchering civilians if the government receiving that aid is not held accountable.

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