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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by seabass-labrax »

TrueDuality wrote: post #206
bluGill wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

Courts are political entities but this is one that Israel chose to accept and recognize the authority of. It has a history of being very transparent in its decisions and is widely recognized as being neutral and fair in their decision making process. Of course the person charged and found guilty of a crime will argue against the court. Disagreement, even if valid, doesn't change the recognized authority of this court…

Israel don't recognize the authority of the International Criminal Court. Palestine, however, does, and therefore the ICC consider these allegations within their jurisdiction. A relevant point is that the UK (under the previous Conservative party government) requested the opportunity to dispute the allegations of war crimes based on this complication, but the new British government did not choose to continue with the objection. No other countries have made objections.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by kayodelycaon »

Qem wrote: post #28
docdeek wrote: post #27

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Hacker News Guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon... If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

This is a significant update on an event of historical impact.

Eh…

I’ve never heard of a warrant being more than a footnote in history. Results are what ends up in the history books.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by mananaysiempre »

TrueDuality wrote: post #206
bluGill wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

Courts are political entities but this is one that Israel chose to accept and recognize the authority of. It has a history of being very transparent in its decisions and is widely recognized as being neutral and fair in their decision making process. Of course the person charged and found guilty of a crime will argue against the court. Disagreement, even if valid, doesn't change the recognized authority of this court…

> Courts are political entities but this is one that Israel chose to accept

For what it’s worth, Israel signed the Rome Statute establishing the court in 2000 but declared in 2002 it no longer intends to ratify it[1]. (Which, I guess, is marginally better than the US, which has threatened The Hague with military invasion in case any arrests are made[2]. But not by much.) TFA specifically points out that “States are not entitled to challenge the Court’s jurisdiction under article 19(2) prior to the issuance of a warrant of arrest.”

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_parties_to_the_Rome_Sta...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by newspaper1 »

BadHumans wrote: post #234
newspaper1 wrote: post #189

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What consequences? Even Trump isn't going to go to war for Netanyahu.

Using it as his justification for pulling out of NATO comes to mind.

He's already been saying he's going to do that.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #139
dang wrote: post #36

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Users flagged it, as is common for the most divisive topics. I've turned the flags off now, in keeping with HN's standard practices: some (but only some) stories with political overlap are allowed, and in the case of a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) we prefer the stories that contain Significant New Information (SNI). [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by immibis »

shihab wrote: post #141
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

This is common and expected. Even when a serial killer suspected of 20 murder is apprehended, arrest is often made based on one or two confirmed cases, more charges are later added as investigation deepens. Also, keep in mind foreign journalists are completely banned by Israel from entering Gaza- complicating evidence gathering.

The Gaza ministry that would have counted the deaths was also destroyed several months ago, which is why news media have been reporting the same death total of 40,000 for several months.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by postepowanieadm »

shihab wrote: post #141
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

This is common and expected. Even when a serial killer suspected of 20 murder is apprehended, arrest is often made based on one or two confirmed cases, more charges are later added as investigation deepens. Also, keep in mind foreign journalists are completely banned by Israel from entering Gaza- complicating evidence gathering.

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