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Post by xenospn »

KSteffensen wrote: post #100
ssijak wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

History.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by CapricornNoble »

sekai wrote: post #155
KSteffensen wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

> I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel. Iran and basically the rest of the Middle East, US needs an ally to keep the region in check.

> Iran and basically the rest of the Middle East, US needs an ally to keep the region in check.

The US (and also UK/France/Germany) have been bending over backwards to prop up Israel since LONG before Iran switched to an anti-US theocratic government.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by generationP »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by TrueDuality »

bluGill wrote: post #112
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

Courts are political entities but this is one that Israel chose to accept and recognize the authority of. It has a history of being very transparent in its decisions and is widely recognized as being neutral and fair in their decision making process.

Of course the person charged and found guilty of a crime will argue against the court. Disagreement, even if valid, doesn't change the recognized authority of this court even if the "teeth" are extremely limited.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by GordonS »

bbqfog wrote: post #146
bluGill wrote: post #112

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You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by jcranmer »

DasIch wrote: post #111
roody15 wrote: post #99

What is the point of the ICC? Russia doesn't recognize it, Israel doesn't recognize it and even the United States doesn't recognize it. I am confused at what these warrants even mean.

In practice these warrants mean that they cannot travel to any country that does recognize the ICC without being arrested, which means they almost certainly won't.

Just like how Putin couldn't travel to, say, South Africa, after a warrant was issued for his arrest. Oh wait, South Africa declined to enforce the ICC arrest warrant in that case.

I don't see this meaningfully constraining Netanyahu's foreign travel options.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by tuyguntn »

sekai wrote: post #136
peppers-ghost wrote: post #76

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"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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