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ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

#192
post #70

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There are many signatories who are obliged to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant: https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties

There is pretty much no way to enforce so-called "international law" other than through sanctions or direct military action. Germany is not going to arrest Netanyahu if he visited the country. What would be the consequence of that? Nothing of substance, maybe a sternly worded letter from the ICC, but there are no effective and practical means of forcing them to act.

In order to avoid the problem, Germany would probably not allow Netanyahu to visit the country in the first place.

If I remember correctly, a former president of the USA cancelled a visit to Switzerland because they were wanted for war crimes. Would Switzerland have arrested that former president of the USA? Hard to say: cancelling the visit was an easier solution for the people who made the decision.

In Britain, an Israeli general arrived by plane but never disembarked because of an outstanding warrant for war crimes. Would they really have arrested the Israeli general? Hard to say: not letting them disembark was an easier solution for the people who made the decision.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

#193
post #136

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"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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> Gaza Health Ministry is an unreliable source

There is no reason to doubt their numbers other than Israel says so. All reputable sources have found their numbers to be historically accurate.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

#194
post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

> but in the context of the victim numbers that most past crimes against humanity have had, it sets a relatively low new bar.

Which context is this? If you mean the context of past ICC indictments that isn't true. There are multiple other examples of people indicted for specific acts that resulted in the deaths of a 2 digit numbers of people.

The bar for "war crimes" or "crimes against humanity" isn't the number of people you kill. Though in this case, plenty have been killed, this case is about what can be proved conclusively ebough given who it is against.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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post #93
post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

> Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. IANAL but this is probably incorrect i think - the starvation charge is related to allegations of intentionally restricting neccesities of life. Whether anyone dies as a result is irrelavent to that charge. The murder charge is for the people who actually allegedly…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

#197
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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If foreign journalists could report from there we would have more reliable sources.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Not super meaningful in reality - any country looking to arrest either man should tread carefully. The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". Israel is listed in the…

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"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

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