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ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #68
dang wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users flagged it, as is common for the most divisive topics. I've turned the flags off now, in keeping with HN's standard practices: some (but only some) stories with political overlap are allowed, and in the case of a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) we prefer the stories that contain Significant New Information (SNI). [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange…

Stories with flags turned off should display a banner. These moderation decisions deserve transparency.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Cumpiler69 wrote: post #54
blackhawkC17 wrote: post #42

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I'm wondering what power does the ICC have to carry out its sentencing if the US chooses to disagree with it? Same with The Hague court, where the US said its soldiers would be imune from standing trial for crimes. So if these international courts are only allowed selective enforcement, what's the point of their existence? To only prosecute people the US doesn't choose to protect? Then what's the line between good gu…

The point of these international courts is to do the US bidding. Every once and awhile they forget that and need a reminder.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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aphantastic wrote: post #69
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what power does the ICC have to carry out its sentencing if the US chooses to disagree with it? Same with The Hague court, where the US said its soldiers would be imune from standing trial for crimes. So if these international courts are only allowed selective enforcement, what's the point of their existence? To only prosecute people the US doesn't choose to protect? Then what's the line between good gu…

It’s really rather simple. Anyone on this planet only has as much authority as their guns provide them. The people who operate these courts have fewer guns than the US, so they don’t get authority over US interests.

Of course. Isn't it obvious how in history books the "good guys" were always those with the most guns who ended up defeating the guys with less guns, who lost and were always the bad guys, 100% of the time? What a strange coincidence.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by zarzavat »

dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

Given that the accused is currently in control of the crime scene, it's not surprising that the prosecution chose to prioritise the crimes that are easiest to prove.

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Post by peppers-ghost »

dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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neom wrote: post #70
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what power does the ICC have to carry out its sentencing if the US chooses to disagree with it? Same with The Hague court, where the US said its soldiers would be imune from standing trial for crimes. So if these international courts are only allowed selective enforcement, what's the point of their existence? To only prosecute people the US doesn't choose to protect? Then what's the line between good gu…

There are many signatories who are obliged to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant: https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties

Obliged by who? The US can choose to wipe their ass with whatever they signed and arbitrarily say NO to a request they don't like. Who's gonna hold them accountable for breaking their signed agreement?

Wasn't there the same pitfall with the League of Nations?

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Post by epistasis »

blackhawkC17 wrote: post #42

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The ICC warrant for Putin is similarly worthless. Large influential countries host Putin without impact.

There may be some European countries that Netanyahu will no longer be able to visit, but the impact will not be large.

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