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DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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I’m sure the constitution will be changed to allow Trump to remain President, one way or the other way.

Almost certainly not. If he runs it will be by ignoring the Constitution, and at that point we’re legitimately in civil war territory.

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Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #16
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically he can't run again so he doesn't need any money for his own campaign. However, he might reward donations to his friends in the MAGA Cinematic Universe.

I’m sure the constitution will be changed to allow Trump to remain President, one way or the other way.

The US constitution would allow him to "run" ( usually it's coast ) as Vice President to the next POTUS .. and that would also allow him one day less than two years as POTUS should the VP be required to take over for the sitting President.

Realistically Trump most likely lacks any interest once his various and sundry pending felony and other charges have been quashed or voided by immunity grants, etc.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

#43
The solution should just be to force browsers to support profile migration from one browser to another.

And generally, they should just pass laws that enforce interoperability in the software world, from OS to social networks, users should always be allowed to easily migrate.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

#44
post #17

This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded? Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're ess…

There's always the Opera model: attempt to sell inserted ads, fail, sell it to a Chinese holding company, and have future development funded by the Russians. What could possibly go wrong?

Can you please share a details about the part related to Russians? I used to be big fan of Opera browser, but don't follow theirs recent news

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #17

This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded? Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're ess…

> Alternatively, a narrow reading of the proposed order is that this only applies to Google.

That doesn't seem like a narrow reading, but the only possible one. How could the order be applying to deals strictly between companies neither of which was the party of the lawsuit? That doesn't seem like anything that could possibly be within the court's powers.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

#46
post #17

This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded? Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're ess…

> Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. The reason? Infinite[1] complexity. To Google that is a feature : as long as they can outspend competitors, they can control the complexity in their favor. The question should not be "how do we fund development of operating system in a trench coat?", but rather "how much do we actually need to fetch and render HTML?" and the answer i…

Parity with other application platforms demands more than just showing static HTML. Imagine the world with no XMLHTTPRequest because Microsoft wasn't allowed to innovate on the web.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #17

This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded? Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're ess…

> Directly charge users for it. This is effectively a non-starter, because the vast majority of people aren't willing to pay for it.

I would gladly pay for Firefox, but I only found a way to donate to Mozilla, which also finances many other things that I am not interested in.

> Insert ads or sell user data - users also hate this, it's probably not legal in the EU, and it may not be legal in most of the US in the future either.

Adds are legal, but "selling user data" is more tricky. Many news websites are currently paywalling access to their website unless a monthly fee is paid. As far as I know, there has been no ruling yet whether that is legal.

> Use the browser as a platform to push some product that does make money - a non-Google search engine? A social network? An LLM interface?

Firefox tried to sell a VPN product that way, but it was not priced competitively.

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Chrome is not the problem. Chrome is not even a symptom. The problem is that the world's largest search engine is also the world's largest ad distributor. Chopping off tentacles like Android or Chrome does nothing to slay the two-headed beast.

It's all part of an ecosystem. Chrome is a vehicle in which users are roped into their search engine and ads. And their search engine and ads also push users into Chrome. It's all cyclical. Breaking off any chunk weakens the link between them and locks users into their ecosystem less. Rome wasn't built in a day, and monopolies aren't destroyed in one either.

Apple's VP literally said that no amount of money would make them choose Bing over Google because Google is the best search engine...

Lets be real, no one needs to be "roped into" using Google search. People have Bing and Edge shoved down their throats and still use Chrome and Google...

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #42
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure the constitution will be changed to allow Trump to remain President, one way or the other way.

The US constitution would allow him to "run" ( usually it's coast ) as Vice President to the next POTUS .. and that would also allow him one day less than two years as POTUS should the VP be required to take over for the sitting President. Realistically Trump most likely lacks any interest once his various and sundry pending felony and other charges have been quashed or voided by immunity grants, etc.

Does this mean he wouldn't have run this time if it weren't for his legal troubles?

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #17

This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded? Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're ess…

> Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements.

Safari is funded by Apple's hardware sales. It can afford to develop its own browser because it's table stakes for devices and gives Apple the ability to do deeper integrations and targeted performance optimizations. The search revenue is the cherry on top.

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