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Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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For what it's worth, it was part of Project 2025 - something one of the candidates claimed to know nothing about...

I'm sorry but Project 2025 still strikes me as fanfiction

"I never thought leopards would eat MY face"

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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I am skeptical that Elon/Vivek will actually cut any Federal spending as the only administration to actually reduce the number of Federal gov jobs was President Clinton from 1992 to 1997. What I find very interesting is that in the early 1990s when the deficit hit 4.5% of GDP (1992) Congress actually viewed it as a major issue and decided to cut spending but now the deficit is above 6%+ of GDP and reducing spending i…

The idea that we've lived in this "deficits don't matter" fantasy for the last 25 years (45 years?) is that we have a situation in which nobody ever thinks about why the dollar is the world's reserve currency. Aside from simple path dependency, all of the foundational reasons why it became the reserve currency are hardly relevant any longer. So, we sit here driving the debt car as fast as we can, with no idea what is in front of us. Sure, it might work out, but the fact that many financial analysts don't put any risk premium on treasuries at this point just terrifies me.

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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I believe that the agencies have lost the trust of the people. This is what happens under bad and corrupt leadership, e.g. forever wars based on a lie, a person with dementia at the top, a candidate for President with no primaries. The danger in this situation is that the DOGE will dismantle the safety mechanisms of the state, some of which depend on the state inertia, i.e. it's much harder to execute a coup when the…

The trust is attacked by the same people who about to reap the benefit of the lost of it.

I think they are using the already existing potential, you can cause some effects, sure, but not of this magnitude. No one is ever held responsible, even after truly astonishing and costly failures. At the same time there's that alienating gibberish coming from the other side. It's a natural reaction to reject it, only amplified by opportunistic actors. But hell, we might be looking at the fall of the Republic and the rise of an Empire, perhaps with a Civil War in between, not sure what to make of it yet.

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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I'm sorry but Project 2025 still strikes me as fanfiction

Not sure how you can maintain this belief when you're acknowledging the destruction of agencies in accordance to Project 2025.

Also hard to ignore him nominating several of the authors of, and people involved in, p2025 to his cabinet.

A lot of people who weren't paying attention are going to be saying "I didn't know", "How could've I known", "Why didn't anyone tell me", in the coming months and years.

It's unfortunate so many will suffer at the hands of the disengaged and the misinformed / poorly informed voters of this country.

I'd like to think they'll pay attention after this, but I thought the same thing last time around.

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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Aren’t there already millions of ‘non-government entities’ directly advising every administration, or indirectly advising the advisors, etc…?

Most of them aren't named like government entities, given a verified-government-entity greycheck on Twitter, have their leadership announced by the incoming President elect, recruit on the explicit premise of being part of Administration policy, and have public confusion as to whether they are a government department or something else.

You’ve listed indicators that suggests it has a higher probability of becoming a formalized office of some kind, higher likelihood that key decision makers truly believe in establishing it, etc.

Therefore…?

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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This is a pretty weak argument. Blaming the two-party system might feel good, but I don't think it gives us a better understanding of what happened in this election. People voted for the guy at the top of the ticket, and he was pretty clear about wanting to get rid of some federal agencies. I think we have to conclude that people were receptive to his message. My hot take is that the two-party system isn't anywhere n…

you are right in it being a weak argument in this situation, and I'll refrain from arguing against a two party system in this comment. What I should have said, is that as an outsider: I see lots of interviews with people who state that they are going to vote for trump (at time of interview), and they all seem to pick and choose from the things that trump says, some they take at face value, and others they consider to…

Doesn't happen on the other side as well? Did people make such arguments over the last 4 years?

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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For what it's worth, it was part of Project 2025 - something one of the candidates claimed to know nothing about...

I'm sorry but Project 2025 still strikes me as fanfiction

they're literally talking about deleting agencies, which was explictly mentioned in the plan.

several of the authors have already received / been earmarked for appointments.

if someone says "i'm going to blow up a building", and then starts buying a ton of dynamite, it's pretty reasonable to assume they're gonna blow up that building.

Re: Vivek Ramaswamy on X: "Will entire agencies be deleted? Answer: yes

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You say this as if Trump will also not be in control of both sides of Congress. All it takes to make this a department of the government is a vote in Congress.

And most of the members of congress (all of the house, 1/3 of the senate)will be up for election in 2 years. Let’s see if they are up for cutting social security and medicare when they have to face the voters just two years later.

two years is long enough to make deep cuts.

there will be no big collapse, no big catastrophe. there won't be a 1991 Berlin Wall event.

things will just get shittier and more expensive, and people will go out less, buy less, travel less, have fewer kids, etc.

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