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The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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Re: The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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What kind of cabbage is that? I mean look at their size.

um, a normal one? it looks exactly what I've seen on my grandmother's garden patch in my childhood. It's just that size is not very practical for supermarkets and a small family consumption, so current selection and harvesting methods go in the opposite direction.

Interesting. I've never seen such a huge cabbage.

Re: The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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Seed banks are mostly self-refreshing. Seed viability decline during storage is measured and modelled for. A sample of seeds is taken out of storage and grown to breed a new batch of seeds after an amount of time based on the rate of decline of that sample. So a batch that loses 20% viability every 5 years will be regrown to seed after a shorter amount of time than one that loses 2% viability every 5 years. Source: w…

Yeah but even if the viability decline was quite slow on the moon, you would still have to refresh _eventually_, at least that's how I understand what you wrote. Are we going to have robots on the moon doing the refreshing? That would be cool.

If you have everything on the moon needed to grow a large amount of plants couldn't you also support a human or two?

Re: The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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Also, there's talk of putting one on the moon.

Don't seed banks need regular refreshing?

There are relatively serious plans for permanent habitation on the moon. Transporting seeds occasionally hopefully won't require launching a lot of mass, but I don't know how many seeds they store.

Re: The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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Seed banks are mostly self-refreshing. Seed viability decline during storage is measured and modelled for. A sample of seeds is taken out of storage and grown to breed a new batch of seeds after an amount of time based on the rate of decline of that sample. So a batch that loses 20% viability every 5 years will be regrown to seed after a shorter amount of time than one that loses 2% viability every 5 years. Source: w…

I'm the context of this comment chain, you're agreeing with the parent comment with a tone of disagreement. Yes, seed banks need periodic attention (whether you call that refreshing or self-refreshing or whatever), so you couldn't stick a bunch of seeds on the moon and just leave them there.

The proposed lunar seed bank is cryogenic, not room temperature.

Re: The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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Turing was punished (effectively tortured to death) for his sexuality. While awful and indefensible, the difference is that he was not punished for his scientific / engineering work. There are countless examples of soviet scientists exiled or executed because their research agenda or conclusions conflicted with state ideology in a given period. You'd be hard pressed to find similar examples in the West. Although ther…

>But imprisonment or execution for studying the 'wrong' thing? This is extremely simple. Israel openly and proudly kills Iranian scientists, at least 5 were killed in last decades, precisely for the reason of their scientific work. What, there are other reasons why this is a very right thing to do, am I right? I guess you will present me with lots of reasons why these scientists should have been killed. We clearly go…

Israel and Iran are antagonistic nations in an active military conflict - this is a really bad counterexample. I'd never defend Israel's actions militarily, but all countries attempt to disrupt the military programmes of their adversaries in secret. Often violently. This is absolutely not comparable to murdering their own scientists for carrying out research.

Side note - the assumption that the opinions of others will neatly fall into a packet of predictable (and hence easily refutable) tribal signifiers, is itself a forms of defensive tribalism. 'See you expressed opinion x, you obviously believe y and z, therefore your perspective is on no value'. This approach avoids engaging with the discussion itself and achieves little.

Specifically to the point you mention - I'm not American, and hence outside the media bubble disguising / legitimating Israeli genocide. That should have no impact on our discussion, as its in no way relevant - except as a tribal signal as described above.

Re: The Leningrad botanists who saved the first seed bank

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May I please remind you of Turing's fate in the land of Freedom and Science?

Turing was punished (effectively tortured to death) for his sexuality. While awful and indefensible, the difference is that he was not punished for his scientific / engineering work. There are countless examples of soviet scientists exiled or executed because their research agenda or conclusions conflicted with state ideology in a given period. You'd be hard pressed to find similar examples in the West. Although ther…

If he was punished for his sexuality while being a genius scientist do you really think that makes the UK/West as an example of being pro science and valuing it? Think about it.
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